Operation Boatswain

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Operation Boatswain

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Post by UMachine » 14 Oct 2015, 03:26

This May 18 1941 operation to blow up the Vichy held refineries at Tripoli di Syria Lebanon was led by SOE Major Sir Anthony Palmer.In Israel known as the 23 who went down at sea.The first Palmach operation.

This was snuffed by OVRA.

More to follow.
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Re: Operation Boatswain

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Post by Dili » 14 Oct 2015, 21:28

Didn't know thanks.

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Post by UMachine » 14 Oct 2015, 22:53

Those Palestinian Police Boats....The police boat the Sealion....no mention of date of manufacture despite the oldest having been built around 1930.

The 23 arrived near Tripoli di Syria on the HMS Sealion,a submarine.

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Re: Operation Boatswain

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Post by gttf » 15 Oct 2015, 09:38

Hello,

according to uboat.net (http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3422.html ) HMS Sealion was in another area in May, 1941.

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Post by UMachine » 15 Oct 2015, 14:24

I sent them an email yesterday.Unless the National Archives has taken the extraordinary step of falsifying this,it is bogus.I checked in 2006.Entire month of May 1941 is sealed.Polish site used to have the story,believe I have it printed off somewhere.The Palmach wanted it covered up so as not to dissuade people from joining the fight.

Here is a story which adds some juice...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 70153.html

Note the comment about the German broadcast mentioning the Italians had captured a British agent and 20 Jews.

Who would approach a heavily guarded oil installation which the Germans dearly wanted on a noisy surface vessel?

Questions
Joint French-Italian coastguard?
Radar?

His eldest child"only job he did on the water"

As told to the child "They came from under the water".

Note that in the story the historian claims the Palmach knew exactly what had happened to the 23 by June 1941.How would they know "exactly" what had happened?From the captured OVRA commandos of the Chemical Assault....

All this for petro products,the lifeblood......
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Re: Operation Boatswain

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Post by UMachine » 15 Oct 2015, 15:33

And another thought.The Med is not actually very deep is it?

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Post by UMachine » 15 Oct 2015, 16:26

Missing one link there,will add tonight.

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Re: Operation Boatswain

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Post by MarkN » 15 Oct 2015, 18:05

UMachine wrote: The 23 arrived near Tripoli di Syria on the HMS Sealion,a submarine.
gttf wrote: according to uboat.net (http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3422.html ) HMS Sealion was in another area in May, 1941.
UMachine wrote:I sent them an email yesterday.Unless the National Archives has taken the extraordinary step of falsifying this,it is bogus.
Really???

You offered this link...
...where it says...

He [Major Anthony Palmer] had set sail from Haifa aboard a converted fishing boat called the Sea Lion and was never seen again.

I notice in other posts you do like to make some bold statements of conspiracies to cover up all manner of thing.

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Post by Dili » 15 Oct 2015, 18:51

UMachine wrote:And another thought.The Med is not actually very deep is it?
It can be. Why?

Edit from wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea

The Mediterranean Sea has an average depth of 1,500 m (4,900 ft) and the deepest recorded point is 5,267 m (17,280 ft) in the Calypso Deep in the Ionian Sea.

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Re: Operation Boatswain

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Post by UMachine » 15 Oct 2015, 19:06

MarkN,keep your pants on,I said I was missing a link.Have you yourself checked the National Archives?

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Post by UMachine » 15 Oct 2015, 19:11

Dili,ET409 5 mins from Beirut was at 100 metres.

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Post by MarkN » 15 Oct 2015, 19:17

Here are 3 of the 23 who 'disappeared'.

Warrant Officer - Katriel Yofeh - Skipper of the "Sea Lion"
Warrant Officer - Amiram Shohet - 2nd. Hand of the "Sea Lion"
Petty Officer - Israel Norden - Engineer of the "Sea Lion"

Are you really suggesting the RN had a sub with a Jewish Palestinian (as opposed to Arab Palestinian) skipper?

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Post by UMachine » 15 Oct 2015, 19:56

I didn't suggest any such thing Mark.Its all bs.The Palmach archivist knows what happened.British sub carried Palmer and 23 Palmach commandos.

Obviously they had smaller crafts to transfer into.They didn't put up much of a fight apparently,they were in no position to do so.

It is only just recently that the Palmach archivists admitted that these were the first formation.Previously they were claiming the Palmach Strike Force was formed the day after they disappeared.

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Re: Operation Boatswain

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Post by MarkN » 15 Oct 2015, 23:49

UMachine wrote:I didn't suggest any such thing Mark.
Really???? Yes you did. And you're STILL claiming they were landed by sub.
UMachine wrote:British sub carried Palmer and 23 Palmach commandos.

Obviously they had smaller crafts to transfer into.
Or, obviously not.

You probably won't appreciate these as they doesn't fit your counter-narrative, but other may find them of interest.
When the songs end the lectures begin. One by one the lecturers stand up and explain in measured, scientific tones exactly why the tiny, under powered boat that the commandos used was incapable even of arriving at the Tripoli target with 24 commandos on board. Admiral Maor made it clear that it would have taken the boat so long to arrive at the target that they wouldn’t even have had enough darkness to carryout the raid and would have had to abort. He checked the tides and the currents for the day of the misson. He also knew that the operation had left Haifa an hour later than the 0600 start time the operational plan called for meaning even less chance of having the necessary darkness. “If they made it as far as Tripoli they would have aborted and headed for the nearest friendly port, Cyprus” he asserted.

http://hurryupharry.org/2014/10/08/oper ... never-die/
http://www.specialforcesroh.com/browse. ... =palestine

UMachine wrote:It is only just recently that the Palmach archivists admitted that these were the first formation.
And yet, the image that I posted earlier is of the memorial erected in 1951!!!!

I guess 'recently' is just a relative term.

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