General Giap passes away at age 103
General Giap passes away at age 103
http://vietnamnews.vn/politics-laws/245 ... e-103.html
Victor over France, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Cambodia and China.
HA NOI (VNS)—General Vo Nguyen Giap, 103, has passed away in Ha Noi due to old age, said a special communiqué released by the Communist Party of Viet Nam's Central Committee (CPVCC), the National Assembly, the President, the Government, the Viet Nam Fatherland Front Central Committee and the CPV CC's Military Commission on October 5.
The communiqué said the General died at the Central Military Hospital 108 at 6:09 PM on October 4.
General Giap, real name Vo Giap (alias Van), was born in Loc Thuy commune, Le Thuy district, the central province of Quang Binh on August 25, 1911.
He served as a Politburo member, Secretary of the CPVCC's Military Commission, Standing Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of National Defence, Commander-in-Chief of the Vietnamese People's Army and a National Assembly deputy from the first to seventh tenure.
During his revolutionary life spanning over 80 years, the General rendered significant services to the Party and the nation. As an eminent student close to President Ho Chi Minh, the first General and Commander-in-Chief of the Vietnamese People's Army, he was loved and respected by the people and international friends and a pride of generations of officers and soldiers nationwide.
General Giap was awarded the Party and State's Golden Star Order, the Ho Chi Minh Order, the 70-year Party membership badge and many other noble orders and medals both at home and abroad.
His death is a great loss to the Party, the State, people and army, the communiqué said, adding that a State funeral will be held for the General. —VNA/VNS
Victor over France, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Cambodia and China.
HA NOI (VNS)—General Vo Nguyen Giap, 103, has passed away in Ha Noi due to old age, said a special communiqué released by the Communist Party of Viet Nam's Central Committee (CPVCC), the National Assembly, the President, the Government, the Viet Nam Fatherland Front Central Committee and the CPV CC's Military Commission on October 5.
The communiqué said the General died at the Central Military Hospital 108 at 6:09 PM on October 4.
General Giap, real name Vo Giap (alias Van), was born in Loc Thuy commune, Le Thuy district, the central province of Quang Binh on August 25, 1911.
He served as a Politburo member, Secretary of the CPVCC's Military Commission, Standing Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of National Defence, Commander-in-Chief of the Vietnamese People's Army and a National Assembly deputy from the first to seventh tenure.
During his revolutionary life spanning over 80 years, the General rendered significant services to the Party and the nation. As an eminent student close to President Ho Chi Minh, the first General and Commander-in-Chief of the Vietnamese People's Army, he was loved and respected by the people and international friends and a pride of generations of officers and soldiers nationwide.
General Giap was awarded the Party and State's Golden Star Order, the Ho Chi Minh Order, the 70-year Party membership badge and many other noble orders and medals both at home and abroad.
His death is a great loss to the Party, the State, people and army, the communiqué said, adding that a State funeral will be held for the General. —VNA/VNS
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I read several articles on this. A very big deal in Viet-nam.
I wonder if he ever wrote about his military exploits,
I wonder if he ever wrote about his military exploits,
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They forgot to mention his victories over South Korea, the Cambodians and little Green men from Mars.
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He did relatively well against both the Imperial Japanese and post WW2 French forces. HOWEVER, against the United States he suffered an estimated 35: 1 loss ratio, He reportedly did better but still poorly against the Chinese and Cambodians during Viet Nam`s `adventures" attempting to basically enlargen Viet Nam`s sphere of influence. When you "only" lose 35 men for every enemy killed did you REALLY `win" ? More accurate to say the US simply decided the cost wasn`t worth it any more...
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Did he?: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.htmlHOWEVER, against the United States he suffered an estimated 35: 1 loss ratio,
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"War" as a verb?
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Speaking personally, as a Vietnam US Army veteran......I congradulate him on his long life, recognize him as a hero to "his" nation and his people, and gladly honor him as a "gallant foe"..... who "fought" a nasty war the only way he could and had the endurance to suffer the losses and damages "they" suffered....."we" certianly didn't have the stomach for what would have been necessary for "victory".... nor should we... IMHO.
I say "Rest in Peace"....as should ALL "warriors"..... regardless of "cause" (right or wrong)....the dead deserve that.
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I say "Rest in Peace"....as should ALL "warriors"..... regardless of "cause" (right or wrong)....the dead deserve that.
John G.
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1st MP Co./1st Inf. Div. Nov. 68/Dec. 69.
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A French cabinet minister who somewhat praised General Nguyen Vo Giap received flak from the veterans of the Association of Soldiers of France. To those who read French:
http://www.soldatsdefrance.fr/Reponse-a ... a1006.html
According to the link from the same website, it seems that more French POWs died under the Vietnamese as compared to French POWs under the Germans.
http://www.soldatsdefrance.fr/N-oubliez ... a1009.html
http://www.soldatsdefrance.fr/Reponse-a ... a1006.html
According to the link from the same website, it seems that more French POWs died under the Vietnamese as compared to French POWs under the Germans.
http://www.soldatsdefrance.fr/N-oubliez ... a1009.html
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Agreed very much! All veterans for fought in any wars should deserved to be honoured, for they fought and suffered for their country regardless of whether the cause is right or wrong.John G. wrote:Speaking personally, as a Vietnam US Army veteran......I congradulate him on his long life, recognize him as a hero to "his" nation and his people, and gladly honor him as a "gallant foe"..... who "fought" a nasty war the only way he could and had the endurance to suffer the losses and damages "they" suffered....."we" certianly didn't have the stomach for what would have been necessary for "victory".... nor should we... IMHO.
I say "Rest in Peace"....as should ALL "warriors"..... regardless of "cause" (right or wrong)....the dead deserve that.
John G.
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1st MP Co./1st Inf. Div. Nov. 68/Dec. 69.
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~~~~~Agreed very much! All veterans for fought in any wars should deserved to be honoured, for they fought and suffered for their country regardless of whether the cause is right or wrong.~~~~~
I think you have that back to front.
I think you have that back to front.
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TOTALLY agree here with flak....unless you occupy and DESTROY the country--as we did to Germany and Japan, it is very hard for a foreign occupier to win a war of this type...the US did NOT use it's ENTIRE military strength...once it started REALLY bombing [Linebacker raids] then the NViets got SCARED [ read McCain's book ]. the miltary wasn't even allowed to bomb their airfields until much later!!!!!!!..the US could've landed in NV and destroyed Hanoi, with 'proper' bombing [ destruction ]...If I'm not mistaken, Tet was a big loss of men [ VC? ] for NV..and the US was trying to work/win with an inadequate SV government and miltary [ to say the least ]etc etc..caps for emphasis only..thanks for any repliesflakbait wrote:He did relatively well against both the Imperial Japanese and post WW2 French forces. HOWEVER, against the United States he suffered an estimated 35: 1 loss ratio, He reportedly did better but still poorly against the Chinese and Cambodians during Viet Nam`s `adventures" attempting to basically enlargen Viet Nam`s sphere of influence. When you "only" lose 35 men for every enemy killed did you REALLY `win" ? More accurate to say the US simply decided the cost wasn`t worth it any more...
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Depends on whose interpretation of winning.flakbait wrote:When you "only" lose 35 men for every enemy killed did you REALLY `win" ?
For the US it was kill ratios, bombs dropped, hills taken, villages secured, population pacified.
For the Vietnamese, just this photo would do:
The gods do not deduct from a man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing.
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~Babylonian Proverb
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that pic is AFTER the US main forces left....Giap lost at Tet and the Easter offensive...not too impressive with the high casualty and tanks lost rates
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If high casualties and tank losses are the metric for victory/defeat then the Russians lost WW2.
Ask yourself this: what was the objective of the US mission in Vietnam?
Here's a clue: it had nothing to do with body counts.
Ask yourself this: what was the objective of the US mission in Vietnam?
Here's a clue: it had nothing to do with body counts.
The gods do not deduct from a man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing.
~Babylonian Proverb
~Babylonian Proverb