80mm Mortars in the Mexican Revolution

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80mm Mortars in the Mexican Revolution

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Post by Mike Blake » 13 Nov 2016, 16:03

Help wanted please.

The following description of a mortar appears in the General Staff Handbook of the Mexican Army 1906, London; War Office, 1906 as part of the equipment in the Mexican artillery.

80 mm Mortar. Weight of gun 154 lbs; length of bore 30”; weight of shell 13.5 lbs; rifling 24 grooves, twist uniform.


These guns are something of a mystery to me, as they do not appear in photographs nor are they described in any other MR sources I have come across. Given that we are talking 1906, can any body shed any light on what they were, please?


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Re: 80mm Mortars in the Mexican Revolution

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Post by Loïc » 13 Nov 2016, 18:06

hello

80mm in "mortar"?

Because for the 80mm México had bought ours 80mm field and mountain de Bange modified by the known General Mondragon

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Re: 80mm Mortars in the Mexican Revolution

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Post by Stephen_Rynerson » 25 Dec 2016, 22:35

According to the discussion at the website below, the French artillery maker known informally as "Saint-Chamond" (company info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compagnie ... C3%A9court) sold 80 mm mortars to Venezuela at some point:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... aguay+guns

(The referenced source is "Kosar," which I would presume is Franz Kosar, who wrote a number of books on artillery in the 1970s.)

I can also find sources stating that Saint-Chamond sold other artillery to Mexico (see, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Cha ... rag%C3%B3n), so perhaps Saint-Chamond was the source of the mortar you're looking for as well?

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Post by Balrog » 09 Jan 2017, 16:41

French arms dealers also sold mortars to the Dominican Republic in exchange for raw tobacco. The French seemed to do a lot of arms dealing in Latin America back then.

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Re: 80mm Mortars in the Mexican Revolution

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Post by Mike Blake » 14 Jan 2017, 10:50

Thanks for the info - didn't get a notification of a reply hence the tardy response. Trying to track down a copy of the Kosar books I dont have to see if they help... The answer seems to be the gun that Lovell has, the St Chamond 80mm mortar, a mountain howitzer to all intents and purposes.

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