Minor, little known border changes after WWII

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Re: Minor, little known border changes after WWII

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Post by ManfredV » 27 Jun 2016, 08:18

There is another oddity in Tägermoos, a little area of about 1.5 square kilometres near Konstanz: it is part of Switzerland, but most of properties are owned by Germans and even Konstanz municipality. So Konstanz is responsible für the roads and other minor administrativ items. Roads have both german and swiss signs. A similar situation is in Diessenhofen, were some swiss propieties are at german side of Rhine and Switzerland has some minor administrative rights.

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Re: Minor, little known border changes after WWII

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 27 Jun 2016, 10:31

Rob Stuart wrote:
Sheldrake wrote:
Rob Stuart wrote:
#2. By signing up to the Atlantic Charter the British accepted the principle of self determination which resulted in the British Empire becoming the Commonwealth of independent states.
The demise of the Empire had nothing to do with the Atlantic Charter. The Empire was destined to break up as and when it actually did, Atlantic Charter or no Atlantic Charter.
That is a counter factual. No one knows whether or how much of the British Empire would have survived if the Allies fought for "power blocs" After all the Soviet Empire did not break up for 50 years. We do know that the adoption of the Atlantic charter gave hope to nationalist leaders across the British Empire and an argument that hastened its demise.
But the British and Americans were not fighting for "power blocs", and if there had been no Atlantic Charter, or no reference in it to self-determination, that would still have been the case. I'll grant you that Indian nationalists and others were probably encouraged by the charter, but that does not mean the demise of the empire was hastened. Ireland was already gone, the Dominions had gained de jure and de facto independence in 1931, and at least some autonomy had already been granted to some colonies. Precisely how long after 15 August 1947 are you suggesting that India's independence would have been delayed had there been no Atlantic Charter?

Hi...

Inspite of the Atlantic Charter, fighting a world war for "freedom and democracy" et al, Malaya (Malaysia) and Cyprus had to fight for 12 and 15 years after WWII,respectively, before gaining their freedom from Britain :)

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Sandeep


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Re: Minor, little known border changes after WWII

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Post by sandeepmukherjee196 » 27 Jun 2016, 11:02

Futurist wrote:
yerbamatt wrote:Let's set aside major frontier shifts in Europe - between Germany, Poland and Soviet Union , between Italy and Yugoslavia(Istria) or between Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia (Transcarpathia).

Researching the matter, I've found two minor postwar border changes so far:

- between Italy and France (Tenda/Tende)

- between Hungary and Czechoslovakia (Oroszvar/Rusovce)

Anything more?

Regards...
There is also this post-World War II border change:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_ann ... rld_War_II

Indeed, the Netherlands even got to permanently keep one small hill which was previously German:

"Starting in March 1957, West Germany negotiated the return of these areas with the Netherlands. These negotiations led to an agreement (German: Vertrag vom 8. April 1960 zwischen der Bundesrepublik Deutschland und dem Königreich der Niederlande zur Regelung von Grenzfragen und anderen zwischen beiden Ländern bestehenden Problemen; short: Ausgleichsvertrag, i.e. treaty of settlement)[1] made in The Hague on April 8, 1960, in which Germany agreed to pay 280 million German marks for the return of Elten, Selfkant, and Suderwick, as Wiedergutmachung.

The territory was returned to Germany on August 1, 1963, except one small hill (about 3 km²) near Wyler village, called Duivelsberg/Wylerberg which was annexed by the Netherlands."

Hi...

Interestingly this area seemed to have strategic value ! This was one of the objectives of Gavin's 82nd Airborne Div in Operation Market garden. Possible area marked by me in red in the map.


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Re: Minor, little known border changes after WWII

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Post by ManfredV » 27 Jun 2016, 11:20

1962/63 was a little exchange between Italy and Switzerland when Val di Lei reservoir was built. Valley and reservoir stayed italian territory but the embankment and a direct connection to Ferrera valley became swiss territory. Also a small part of Ferrera valley road which had been on italian ground was exchanged.
France and Germany: 1946 France took "administrative control" of Mundatwald, a 7 square kilometres area near Wissembourg (Alsace). This forest is important for Wissembourg water supply. But they didn't incorporate it completely into France. Later they tried but Germany always refused it. 1984 the area came back to Germany but France is property owner.

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