The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

[peeved]

Looks like the licensor was later back with a Vengeance.

A very good hint.

Sorry

Just can't pass an opportunity for a bad pun even if I can't think of a follow-up question.

Regards,
Markus

[Juha Tompuri]

License buit in USSR.

Regards, Juha

[Bill Murray]

Hi Guys:

OK, I have been shadowing this thread as I often do without participating. Other than softies, I know little about the various Finnish campaigns in the 1939-1945 period. Most of my experiences in Finland relating to combat were surviving drinking bouts and the mandatory "Finnish Saunas" afterwords with my Finnish counterparts when I worked with Volvo and SAAB from the late 1960s to 1991 and visited your country many, many times.

Markus has given a clue that was at least worth following up.

"Vengeance" had to equal Vultee.......

A bit of research on "Russian Vultees" resulted in the following.

Russia purchased 3 Vultee V11 GB aircraft and purchased a licensing agreement.
This eventually resulted in some 30 aircraft being built under the designation BSh-1/PS-43.

I do not know about any actual employment of these aircraft, assuming my answer is correct.

Cheers
Bill

[Juha Tompuri]

Markus has given a clue that was at least worth following up.

"Vengeance" had to equal Vultee.......

A bit of research on "Russian Vultees" resulted in the following.

Russia purchased 3 Vultee V11 GB aircraft and purchased a licensing agreement.
This eventually resulted in some 30 aircraft being built under the designation BSh-1/PS-43.

Well done, Bill!
A BSh-1/PS-43 it is. At leat one of them, СССР-Л3000 (c/n 505), took part in the Winter War.
Photo/info source: http://lib.rus.ec/b/216354/read
Your question next.

Regards, Juha

[Bill Murray]

Thanks Juha:

Try this one, not hard but a bit rare.

Bill

[Seppo Jyrkinen]

Gloster Gladiator, Mk. I if I may guess, but what's the question, Bill?

[Bill Murray]

Hej Seppo:
Sorry, I was in a hurry to post and should have asked what is this aircraft??

Certainly a Gladiator and I am not sure if it is a Mk i or a Mk ii, aircraft are not my field.
I cannot find the source at the moment, but this one is supposedly one of 3 I think obtained from South Africa.
I think Mark iis were also sourced from Sweden and Great Britain.

In any case, you have answered the question and have the next one.

Cheers
Bill

[Seppo Jyrkinen]

Thanks Bill.

So, I was able to answer right to the question which wasn't even made - I wish I had such a fortune when playing Lotto!

You told that You had lived in Sweden, so I thought that Gladiator's picture was representing Flygflottilj 19's plane. Those were were Mk I models when FAF was using Mk IIs. When engine is running, I cannot say which one the plane is. From South Africa Finns got Gloster Gauntlets, I think all Gladiators came from Great-Britain.

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My question

Aircraft designers have always put a lot of work to get planes as light as possible. Especially fighter planes. Some times even pilots made something to get planes lighter. One Gladiator veteran (reconnaissance unit) told that during Continuous war they throw very non-reliable radios away to get planes lighter. (well, perhaps they were just frustrated)

Anyhow, Spitfire Mk IX had more than 40kg extra weight in the rear of the fuselage. This was done to to keep the plane's centre of gravity inside the very narrow limits. (with gliders even 1kg in the tail is a thing)

Was Spitfire badly designed or what was the name of the extra 40kg?

[Seppo Jyrkinen]

Correction: exactly 40kg of extra weight!

[Seppo Jyrkinen]

Well... Spitfire has nothing to do with Finland's wars. I made my question by thinking Me109 but didn't find exact values so I accidentally took Spitfire here. Sorry for that.

But the question is the same. Was Me109 (and Spit also) a bad design or why was it equipped with extra weight. Something much heavier than a pair of hinge skies?

[Juha Tompuri]

Was Spitfire badly designed

Later designs seemingly became more nose heavy

what was the name of the extra 40kg?

(5 x) standard ballast weight of 17.5 lb
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/ab197.html

Regards, Juha

[Seppo Jyrkinen]

Right again, Juha.

A more powerful engine means more weight and you have to compensate this somehow. Also armament had influence to mass centre which is critical to an airplane. Most easy way to adjust mass centre was adding (or taking away) some kg's in tail.

About Me109: http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/#myths and italic title: "The 109 was a bad design, as it needed ballast to fix the center of gravity"

Your turn.

[Juha Tompuri]

Thanks Seppo,

Nice to learn new things.

About Me109: http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/#myths and italic title: "The 109 was a bad design, as it needed ballast to fix the center of gravity"

AFAIK not all Me/Bf 109 had ballast:

According to the Hannu Valtonen, "Me 109 ja Saksan sotatalous" (Messerschmitt Bf 109 and the German war economy) type E-3 had 27 kg ballast. Type E-4 did not have that.

viewtopic.php?f=69&t=97075&p=866750&hilit#p866750
Wonder how about the later types?

Anyway, here a new question, name this monster:

[Seppo Jyrkinen]

According to the Hannu Valtonen, "Me 109 ja Saksan sotatalous" (Messerschmitt Bf 109 and the German war economy) type E-3 had 27 kg ballast. Type E-4 did not have that.
Wonder how about the later types?

Good question. I understand the principle better than old planes (when I was flying gliders some 30 years ago, I had a lisence to make balance calculations). What Valtonen tolds, means that E-4's nose has been lighter or tail heavier than E-3's (at least cannons and armorplate were different). G-modells were equipped with DB 605's which was some 150kg heavier than DB 601's of E's. - My claim is very logical conclusion but, but must admit, not confirmed true.

Anyway, here a new question, name this monster:

Does your monster have a Panther or Pegasus engine on it's nose... I just wonder...

[Juha Tompuri]

Does your monster have a Panther or Pegasus engine on it's nose... I just wonder...

Heh... you seem to know the plane... this example seeming to be equipped with a Armstrong Siddeley Panther IIa engine.

Regards, Juha