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Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Discussions on the Winter War and Continuation War, the wars between Finland and the USSR.
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby CanKiwi2 on 24 Sep 2012 15:10

Fliegende Untertasse wrote:
Re "sankarileponne majaa (the lodge of your hero’s rest)" - my initial translation was giving me a "Heroic Propellant Hostel" and I figured it couldn't be that.......
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You do know that in this kind of context this is reference to warriors burial. Or a military cemetary type thing.


Thx for all of that. And no, that particular nuance escaped me. Still struggling to do literal translations and then figure out the context from that - which is a challenge to put it mildly. But everything learned is a step in the right direction and yours and Seppo's comments helped a lot.

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby Seppo Koivisto on 24 Sep 2012 20:13

Fliegende Untertasse wrote:
Re "sankarileponne majaa (the lodge of your hero’s rest)" - my initial translation was giving me a "Heroic Propellant Hostel" and I figured it couldn't be that.......

You do know that in this kind of context this is reference to warriors burial. Or a military cemetary type thing.

I understood that in this context it would mean Finland in general - the land ("lodge") where past generations ("heroes", "gray fathers") are buried ("rest").
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Rajalla (On the Border)

Postby CanKiwi2 on 27 Sep 2012 13:34

OK, here's the penultimate version after numerous corrections and tweaks.

Rajalla (On the Border)

Raja railona aukeaa (Like a chasm runs the border)
Edessä Aasia, Itä. (In front, Asia, the East)
Takana Länttä ja Eurooppaa; (Behind, Europe, the West)
varjelen, vartija, sitä. (Like a sentry, I stand guard)

Takana kaunis isänmaa (Behind, the beautiful fatherland)
Kaupungein ja kylin. (With its cities and villages)
Sinua poikas puolustaa (Your sons defend you)
Maani, aarteista ylin. (My country, the greatest treasure)

Öinen, ulvova tuuli tuo (Nocturnal howling winds bring)
Rajan takaa lunta. (Snow from across the border)
— Isäni, äitini, Herra, suo (Lord, let my mother and father)
Nukkua tyyntä unta! (Sleep, calmly dreaming!)

Anna jyviä hinkaloon, (Fill the bins with grain)
Anna karjojen siitä! (Let the herds breed)
Kätes peltoja siunatkoon! (Let thy hand bless the fields)
- Täällä suojelen niitä. (I am here, protecting them)

Synkeä, kylmä on talviyö, (The winter night is dark and cold)
Hyisenä henkii itä. (There is an Icy breath from the East)
Siell’ ovat orjuus ja pakkotyö; (Over there is slavery and forced labour)
tähdet katsovat sitä. (The stars look down and see)

Kaukaa aroilta kohoaa (Far away on the Steppe rises)
Iivana Julman haamu. (The ghost of Ivan the Terrible)
Turman henki, se ennustaa: (A spirit of doom is at work, predicting that
verta on näkevä aamu. (the morning shall see blood)

Mut isät harmaat haudoistaan (The gray fathers rise from their graves)
aaveratsuilla ajaa: (Phantom steeds they ride)
karhunkeihäitä kourissaan (Bear spears in their hands)
syöksyvät kohti raja (Rushing to the border)

—Henget taattojen, autuaat, (Blessed spirits of the fathers)
kuulkaa poikanne sana — (Listen to your sons words)
jos sen pettäisin, saapukaat (if I should not keep my word, then come)
koston armeijana —: (as an army of vengeance)

Ei ole polkeva häpäisten (Their tread will not desecrate)
sankarileponne majaa (the resting place of your heroes)
rauta-antura vihollisen, - (From the iron-soled foot of the enemy)
suojelen maani rajaa! (I will protect your borders)

Ei ota vieraat milloinkaan (Strangers will never take)
kallista perintöänne. (your precious heritage)
tulkoot hurttina aroiltaan! (let them come like hounds from the steppes)
Mahtuvat multiin tänne. (they will find a place here under the soil)

Kontion rinnoin voimakkain (With a bears powerful chest)
ryntään peitsiä vasten (I charge against the lances)
naisen rukkia puolustain (defending your women’s spinning wheels)
ynnä kehtoa lasten. (and your children’s cradles)

Raja railona aukeaa (Like a chasm runs the border)
Edessä Aasia, Itä. (In front, Asia, the East)
Takana Länttä ja Eurooppaa; (Behind, Europe, the West)
varjelen, vartija, sitä. (Like a sentry, I stand guard)

And thanks everyone for all the help. Really appreciated.
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby John Hilly on 27 Oct 2012 14:11

Hello all! :milsmile:
Some small ideas - a bit late, I suppose:

Synkeä, kylmä on talviyö, (The winter night is dark and cold)
The winter night is bleak and cold,

Kaukaa aroilta kohoaa (Far away on the Steppe rises)
Far from the Steppe rises

Turman henki, se ennustaa: (A spirit of doom is at work, predicting that)
The spirit of doom, he-she-it augurs:

Mut isät harmaat haudoistaan (The gray fathers rise from their graves)
aaveratsuilla ajaa: (Phantom steeds they ride)
But Fathers, gray, rising from their graves
Phantom coursers they ride
Bear spears in hollow of their hands
Rushing towads the border


Henget taattojen, autuaat, (Blessed spirits of the fathers)...:
Spirits, blessed, of the forefathers
Listen to your sons oath -
If I should betray it, then come...


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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby CanKiwi2 on 01 Feb 2013 02:44

Another question - is this song something to do with the Lapua movement or the AKS? Suur-Suomi seems a bit of a giveaway but was not quite sure of the song itself...



OK, figured it out.The AKS march 'Me tahdomme'. Been looking for this for a while now.
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby John Hilly on 01 Feb 2013 13:39

With this AKS stuff I'd be a bit careful or sensitive if I were you.
A náive but sincere organisation it was, but only for previliged university students and not for the people.

I'm not trying to sensor you by no means.

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby CanKiwi2 on 01 Feb 2013 14:36

John Hilly wrote:With this AKS stuff I'd be a bit careful or sensitive if I were you.
A náive but sincere organisation it was, but only for previliged university students and not for the people.

I'm not trying to sensor you by no means.

With best,
J-P :milsmile:


No worries, I understand the context and have an idea of the sensitivities - but should I inadvertantly cross any Finnish boundaries, by all means say so. There's very little about the AKS in english, or online for that matter. I was trying to put them in within the context of the whole "Greater Finland" thing and explain a bit about them within my What-If. Membership is pretty obscure to me - seemed to be university students and some military officers. What I did wonder was if any high-ranking military officers were open members of the AKS? And just how large was their membership?
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby John Hilly on 01 Feb 2013 18:53

CanKiwi2 wrote:Membership is pretty obscure to me - seemed to be university students and some military officers. What I did wonder was if any high-ranking military officers were open members of the AKS? And just how large was their membership?

Regular officers are not allowed to belong to political parties. AKS wasn't one, but as it was primarely a student movement MHO is that regular (Cadet) officers usually weren't members.
But on the contrary very many of reserve officers were or had been members, e.a. Your Capt. Hakkarainen 8-)

Only Finnish wiki, sorry: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akateeminen_Karjala-Seura
and about "Greater-Finland": http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suur-Suomi
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby CanKiwi2 on 01 Feb 2013 19:19

John Hilly wrote:Regular officers are not allowed to belong to political parties. AKS wasn't one, but as it was primarely a student movement MHO is that regular (Cadet) officers usually weren't members. But on the contrary very many of reserve officers were or had been members, e.a. Your Capt. Hakkarainen 8-)

Only Finnish wiki, sorry: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akateeminen_Karjala-Seura
and about "Greater-Finland": http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suur-Suomi


Kiitos J-P. Ah yes, Capt. Hakkarainen. Helsinki Univeristy graduate, reserve officer, young, a little naive and an ardent nationalist, major in engineering, side interest in Finno-Ugrian linguistics - his explanation of Greater Finland is underway as we speak.....no doubt he will become rather less naive over time! Thx for the AKS link, hadn't tracked that one down.

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby John Hilly on 01 Feb 2013 19:34

Just noticed you've done your homework...
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby Seppo Koivisto on 01 Feb 2013 21:00

CanKiwi2 wrote:Capt. Hakkarainen. Helsinki Univeristy graduate, reserve officer, young, a little naive and an ardent nationalist, major in engineering, side interest in Finno-Ugrian linguistics

You could not major engineering at Helsinki University, but at Helsinki University of Technology or "Polysteekki" (the main building of which was badly damaged in Winter War). It seems many engineering students were members of AKS, like Reino Castrén.
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby CanKiwi2 on 05 Feb 2013 00:38

Not quite Winter War / Continuation War but I thought this was unique enough to include. Rather well done.

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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby Topspeed on 05 Feb 2013 08:09

I think finns listened Patty Andrews in 1939; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe2UXccid40 and possibly Marlene Dietrich; http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Dietrich
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby Mika68* on 05 Feb 2013 10:13

Old Finnish military song "Maantie on kova kävellä" (A road is rough for walking) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoUsxroaiKg
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Re: Winter War and Continuation War Music from Finland

Postby John Hilly on 05 Feb 2013 14:58

Thanks Mika for your link. It reminds me of my time as a conscript.
That song was for the Infantry, but still used in AAA also.
We had to learn "Muistoja Pohjolasta" as "Alokas".

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