Well, here's a new one.Aleksander P wrote:I'll let someone else make up the next question, so everybody feel free to!
This Collar Tab of a Dragoon Leutenant doesn't look normal, but it isn't an error in manufacturing. Why?
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Well, here's a new one.Aleksander P wrote:I'll let someone else make up the next question, so everybody feel free to!
Yes, but the ones in question were official collar patches.Aleksander P wrote:The collar tab is a different variation than the normal one, as it is shorter than normal and has a more rectangular shape?
Well, it looks like kind of grayish light blue. Anyway the edging should be blue for Uusimaa Dragoons.Aleksander P wrote:The edging is gray.
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John Hilly wrote:Yes, but the ones in question were official collar patches.Aleksander P wrote:The collar tab is a different variation than the normal one, as it is shorter than normal and has a more rectangular shape?
Look under the collar and compare with...
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Sorry. I have similar ones in my collection and the edging is gray for normal cavalry and not URR, also the shape is the normal one.Karelia wrote:Well, it looks like kind of grayish light blue. Anyway the edging should be blue for Uusimaa Dragoons.Aleksander P wrote:The edging is gray.
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I'm a bit puzzled now. What is "normal" cavalry with gray (?) collar pad edging? I don't know any such units with that kind of pads. I'm only aware of the Häme Mounted Jaegers (yellow pads with red edging) and Uusimaa Dragoons (yellow pads with blue edging).Aleksander P wrote:Sorry. I have similar ones in my collection and the edging is gray for normal cavalry and not URR, also the shape is the normal one.Karelia wrote: Well, it looks like kind of grayish light blue. Anyway the edging should be blue for Uusimaa Dragoons.
Poor choice of words on my part. I meant that my collar tabs are for just cavalry, which was a separate unit from URR and Häme. I could be misinformed on this.Karelia wrote:I'm a bit puzzled now. What is "normal" cavalry with gray (?) collar pad edging? I don't know any such units with that kind of pads. I'm only aware of the Häme Mounted Jaegers (yellow pads with red edging) and Uusimaa Dragoons (yellow pads with blue edging).Aleksander P wrote:Sorry. I have similar ones in my collection and the edging is gray for normal cavalry and not URR, also the shape is the normal one.Karelia wrote: Well, it looks like kind of grayish light blue. Anyway the edging should be blue for Uusimaa Dragoons.
For me the pads in your collection look like Uusimaa Dragoons' pads, with the faded blue edging.
Good guess. M39 tabs for M22 uniform.Karelia wrote:A new try to the quiz...
The pads are of different shape, because they are meant to be worn with the old M22 uniform, which Mannerheim is wearing in the photo. The "normal" tabs are meant be used with the M36 onwards, and are subsequently shaped differentally, like the ones Aleksander P has.
You are getting closer, but the pathces are not for M 22.Karelia wrote:The pads are of different shape, because they are meant to be worn with the old M22 uniform, which Mannerheim is wearing in the photo. The "normal" tabs are meant be used with the M36 onwards, and are subsequently shaped differentally, like the ones Aleksander P has.
I stand corrected. One learns something new every day!Aleksander P wrote:Poor choice of words on my part. I meant that my collar tabs are for just cavalry, which was a separate unit from URR and Häme. I could be misinformed on this.Karelia wrote: I'm a bit puzzled now. What is "normal" cavalry with gray (?) collar pad edging? I don't know any such units with that kind of pads. I'm only aware of the Häme Mounted Jaegers (yellow pads with red edging) and Uusimaa Dragoons (yellow pads with blue edging).
For me the pads in your collection look like Uusimaa Dragoons' pads, with the faded blue edging.
The book Asepuku M/36 mentions these separately, as you can see in the scan that I attached. Also a wartime poster for collar tabs mentions yellow/gray collar tabs as "ratsuväki" - "cavalry".
I might be getting closer now...:John Hilly wrote:You are getting closer, but the pathces are not for M 22.Karelia wrote:The pads are of different shape, because they are meant to be worn with the old M22 uniform, which Mannerheim is wearing in the photo. The "normal" tabs are meant be used with the M36 onwards, and are subsequently shaped differentally, like the ones Aleksander P has.
These patches are not common, because a change in the collar itself was made only a couple years later.
So, which tunic are we talking about?
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