Unknown AA-mg?

[John Hilly]

Finns didn't use 7.92 mm cartridge (exept in German airplanes), so it is very unlikely a German "Maxim".

With best, J-P

[Ruotsinsalmi]

Hi all!

A question: In the war diary of Merivoimien Esikunta (Headquarters of the Sea Forces) http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=3613553 9. June 1942 there is a mention of possibility to get some 14 mm machine guns, weighting only 16 kg, easy to handle and almost as powerful as Madsens...What could that be (or just some misinformation)?

Pekka

[Sturm78]

J-P wrote
Finns didn't use 7.92 mm cartridge (exept in German airplanes), so it is very unlikely a German "Maxim".

Ummhhh..... According to this link http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MG2.htm the Finns bought 998 7.92mm MG08 machineguns from Germany in 1941....so I think it is posible that the MG of the image can be a 7.92mm MG08..

Sturm78

[John Hilly]

Ummhhh..... According to this link http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MG2.htm the Finns bought 998 7.92mm MG08 machineguns from Germany in 1941....so I think it is posible that the MG of the image can be a 7.92mm MG08..

I had no idea of that, sorry!
Those MGs were used by coastal troops and your picture was taken at Laat.RPr - Lake Ladoga Costal Bde's MG NCO course in Saunaniemi. So you are most probably right. It is the German Maxim without optical sight.

With best, J-P

[Juha Tompuri]

Ummhhh..... According to this link http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MG2.htm the Finns bought 998 7.92mm MG08 machineguns from Germany in 1941....so I think it is posible that the MG of the image can be a 7.92mm MG08..

I had no idea of that, sorry!
Those MGs were used by coastal troops and your picture was taken at Laat.RPr - Lake Ladoga Costal Bde's MG NCO course in Saunaniemi. So you are most probably right. It is the German Maxim without optical sight.

Regards, Juha

[JTV]

Muzzle brake/flash hider suggests MG-08, but IMO it is ammunition in that belt that verifies that - 7.92 mm x 57JS loaded with standard issue 12.8-gram bullets. Anyway - MG-08 was de facto standard issue machinegun for coastal troops during Continuation War.

Jarkko

[JTV]

A question: In the war diary of Merivoimien Esikunta (Headquarters of the Sea Forces) http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=3613553 9. June 1942 there is a mention of possibility to get some 14 mm machine guns, weighting only 16 kg, easy to handle and almost as powerful as Madsens...What could that be (or just some misinformation)?

That is weird for sure. There were no 14-mm machineguns in Finnish use. Could be some sort of mix concerning handful of captured 12.7-mm DShK m/38 machineguns and 14-mm Boys antitank-rifles (being transferred from Field Army to coastal troops starting around that time)?

Jarkko

[Juha Tompuri]

Could be some sort of mix concerning handful of captured 12.7-mm DShK m/38 machineguns and 14-mm Boys antitank-rifles

Yep, I thought about that too: weight and caliber matches with Boys, being a mg and AFAIK overall effectveness with Madsen hints towards DShK

Regards, Juha

[Sturm78]

Thank you for your help, Juha and Jarkko.

Any idea about this MG sled mount ?? Is it Finnish Civil Guard designed M/30 mount with sledge for 7.62mm M09 ??

Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Can somebody identify the exact model of this Maxim AA MG ??

Image from SA-Kuv archive (74675)
Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Nobody for my last images ??

Well, here an image of a captured 12.7mm DShK machinegun but, Can somebody identify the boat ??

Image from SA-Kuva archive (91006)
Sturm78

[Juha Tompuri]

It's MTB (later partol boat) Vasama (ex Soviet TK 52)

It had two DShKs:

SA-photo 133684

[JTV]

Any idea about this MG sled mount ?? Is it Finnish Civil Guard designed M/30 mount with sledge for 7.62mm M09 ??

No, Civil Guard m/30 mount was structurally a tubular steel design with separate sledge attached under it when needed. This is one of the numerous experimental mounts developed in late 1920's - early 1930's, but I can't remember which one. Can you point out source of the photo?

Can somebody identify the exact model of this Maxim AA MG ??
Image from SA-Kuv archive (74675)

It seems to be 7.62-mm Maxim m/09 or m/09-21. Ammunition belt seems to be Finnish 200-round steel belt. The mount is either Sokolov-mount or m/09-21 - in either case the mount has been equipped with extra arm for anti-aircraft use. Extra anti-aircraft arm added on either mount design had quite similar attachment system to lower front corner of machinegun receiver and with only top of this extra arm visible in the photo, it is basically impossible to say which of the two mount designs is in it.

Jarkko

[Sturm78]

Thank you very mcuh for your help, Juha and Jarkko.

Regards Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Can anyone identify the exact model of this Maxim AA naval machinegun ??

Image from SA-Kuva archive (135273)
Sturm78