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Fate of some Norwegian pilots who arrived to Finland in 1940

Postby Esa K on 08 Nov 2006 12:46

My latest quiz question actualized something I sometimes have had in my mind. The Norwegian pilots (and some additional Norwegian Air Force personel?) that landed in Petsamo 7-8 June 1940 with the Heinkel He-115 and Høver M.F. 11 planes, what was their fate during the coming 5 years of WW II. Assume they first was interned in Finland, but then? Did they stay in Finland, returned to Norway, or found their ways to UK or somewhere else? Info and references to links, further reading etc etc about the topic is very much appreciated.

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Postby Esa K on 08 Nov 2006 17:07

...and, of course, my question also includes the Norwegian pilots that flew the two Fokker C.V´s´and the Tiger Moth to Finland.

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Postby Juha Tompuri on 09 Nov 2006 20:20

Hi,

By so far I have found out (first from book Jatkosodan Kaukopartilennot =Transport flights of Long distance patrol men during Continuation War) by Kavo Laurila amd also from here http://www.k-silmailumuseo.fi/?action=a ... YHMA=7&ID=
that the pilot of the He-115 was Ltn Helge Dahl.

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Postby Janne on 10 Nov 2006 12:57

FWIW I've read about a small group of Norwegian AF personnel who had first fled to Sweden where they had been interned, but then allowed to leave as "sanitary personnel" across the border to Tornio. The Finns didn't bother with formalities and let them travel to Petsamo where they again crossed the border to Norway. After some adventures they reached Scotland on a fishing boat and joined the RAF-

It is my hunch that the pilots who flew in with those aircraft either followed a similar route or got a passage on a ship leaving for Britain or America.

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Postby Esa K on 10 Nov 2006 21:43

Thanks J. T. and J. for the input.

Still wonder where I can have read something more about it. But as I "remember", from that unclaer source, theese pilots, as Janne pointed out, left Finland in late(?) 1940 thru Petsamo (wich was during that interim-peace a lifeline for Finland/Sweden) to UK and/or USA.

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Postby Tero T on 11 Nov 2006 18:28

Good Day!
I am digging into some information here in Toronto. Norwegian nationals trained within the Air Commonwealth training program here in Toronto on the island airport. Later during the war they transferred up to the Muskoka airport to continue training. I have heard or read in some Canadian articles of Norwegians having fought in Finland coming to Canada. I will contact some people who are involved in a new museum that will be dedicated to these Norwegian flyers. Regards Tero T

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Postby IrregularMedic on 25 Jan 2008 02:22

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I knew I had remembered reading of what was reported as the last neutral ship to leave Finland somewhere, found it on DANFS*

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American Legion departed New York City early in February 1940, on her maiden voyage, bound for Panama. Over the next few months, the ship made five round-trip voyages to the Canal Zone, with stops at Charleston, S.C., and San Juan, Puerto Rico, carrying civilian and military passengers. The worsening situation in Europe, though, soon resulted in the ship's receiving a special mission.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt directed that American Legion leave New York immediately and proceed to Petsamo, Finland. There, she was to embark the Crown Princess Martha of Norway, and her party, to bring them to the United States, their homeland having fallen to the Germans the previous spring. Further, as Acting Secretary of State Sumner Welles reported to the United States Minister in Sweden, the President also desired that Mrs. J. Borden Harriman, the former American Minister to Norway, return in the same vessel. The transport would "likewise bring back to this country such Americans in Scandinavian countries as can be accommodated and as may not be able to return safely in any other way."

American Legion--her neutrality shown clearly by the U.S. flags painted prominently on her sides--sailed for Finland on 25 July, and reached Petsamo on 6 August, as scheduled. On the 15th, se embarked Crown Princess Martha of Norway, and her three children, the Princesses Regnild and Astrid, and Prince Harald. The Army troopship also embarked a host of American nationals and refugees from a variety of countries: Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Germany, and the Netherlands, the total number of people being 897. Among the passengers was a young Danish comedian and musician, Victor Borge. The American Legation in Stockholm, Sweden, also consented to the embarkation of 15 "prominent nationals of American republics . . . including the Mexican minister . . . ."

Unbeknownst to probably all but a handful of individuals, American Legion also took on board an important cargo during her brief stay at Petsamo. Before she sailed on the 16th, after an almost Herculean effort involving taking this special cargo by truck the entire length of Sweden, the transport loaded a twin-mount 40-millimeter Bofors antiaircraft gun, "equipped with standard sight, and accompanied by spare parts and 3,000 rounds of ammunition." The State Department had obtained the cooperation of no less than three governments to make possible the shipment of the Bofors gun: British, Swedish, and Finnish. The move had been made none too soon, for American Legion was the last neutral ship permitted to leave Petsamo.

American Legion sailed for the United States on 16 August, and reached New York, 12 days later, escorted the final leg of the voyage by several American destroyers. The transport unloaded the Bofors brought from Petsamo, whence it was shipped to Dahlgren, Va., where it would be tested, and ultimately adopted by the Navy and produced domestically. Its installation in American warships from late 1942 proved a significant upgrading the antiaircraft capability of the ships of the U.S. Navy.

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From the listing for the USS American Legion (AP-35/APA-17)


So this would apparently be the last opportunity for someone to leave via sea at the early date of August 16, 1940.

Thought y'all might find the info on the Bofors of some interest as well. ;)


* DANFS: Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships


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Postby Esa K on 27 Jan 2008 17:28

:oops: Long ago since this post was started, and havent yet thanked Tero T for the effort to find some info on this, may be a bit late but: Thanks Tero for taking time on this. And...
IrregularMedic wrote:...at the early date of August 16, 1940...

...have to dig myself deeper into the material on the Petsamo traffic again (soner or later), but, at the moment just the comment thats interesting that the neutral traffic to Petsamo ended so early (1940)?


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Re: Fate of some Norwegian pilots who arrived to Finland in

Postby Tero T on 31 Mar 2011 18:08

A number of years ago I was helping outfit the troopers in the theatrical play "Dear Lotta" here in Toronto. It was put on by the Finnish theatre group. I was going through their wardrobe section looking for an overcoat to put on a Soviet commander who was part of the play. I stumbled upon a Canadian airforce overcoat made by the T-Eaton company but with Norwegian buttons. It had a name sewn into the pocket. The name was Captain Omejer. I was able to find out through the internet that this Captain Omejer was a consul general in Canada at the time and part of the team that developed Little Norway here in Toronto. How the coat wound up in the theatre productions store room , we may never know. I contacted the acting consul for Norway in Toronto . The Finnish theatre club gladly donated the overcoat to the Little Norway museu in Muskoka. I have not had a chance to visit the Museum but hope to one day. All the best Tero T
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Re: Fate of some Norwegian pilots who arrived to Finland in

Postby Esa K on 18 Apr 2011 12:57

Hi and...

...at the moment, just a hastily Thanks for the provided additonal info to Juha T and Tero T.


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