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Teikarsaari'41

Postby olegb on 23 Nov 2009 10:58

Hallo,
My be anybody can help me?
I wouid like to know when TEIKARSAARI (island in Vyborg Bay) had been captured by finnish troops in 1941. At the moment I have two dates - 25th and 29th of August,1941.What is wrong or exists the third one? :)
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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Juha Tompuri on 23 Nov 2009 21:32

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The sources I just checked (Suomen Laivasto 1918-1968 II & Koivisto Ja Viipurinlahti 1939-44) both mention the date as the 29th.
The Koivisto ja Viipurinlahti book mentioning the attack started at 0130 hours and the fighting being over 1230 hours the same day.

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby JTV on 23 Nov 2009 22:23

29th of August seems be the correct date. I checked three books, which all gave that date. The books:
- Suomen rannikkotykistö 1918 - 1958 (Finnish Coastal Artillery 1918 - 1958), page 260
- Rannikkotykistö taistelee (Coastal Artillery in Combat), pages 18 - 21
- Koivisto ja Viipurinlahti 1941 - 1944 (Koivisto Island and Viipurinlahti Gulf 1939 - 1944), pages 208 - 209.

As one can guess just from the amount of pages, Rannikkotykistö taistelee contains detailed information about the particular battle. Most important parts:
- Finnish recon patrol had succeeded slipping to the island unnoticed in night of 27 - 28th August. Due to information that it provided, commander of Coastal Battion 2 decided to attack the island immediately and without artillery preparation.
- The Finnish unit attacking to the island was reinforced Rannikkopataljoona 2 (RP2 / Coastal Battalion 2) commanded by Captain V. Vuorela.
- The reinforced RP2 contained:
--- 2 strike companies (iskukomppania), basically rifle company of coastal infantry with special training for this sort of attacks.
--- 1 rifle company
--- Reinforcements:
----- 1 Machinegun Company from Linnoituspataljoona 3 (Fortification Battalion 3)
----- 3 x 20-mm Madsen automatic cannons
----- 1 antitank-rifle
----- 2 squads of engineers
----- artillery fire orders team (for calling in artillery support)
Total strength: 425 men

The landing area was in west coast of the island north of Kiuskerinsaari island. First unit to land was to be 2nd Iskukomppania, which had the mission of capturing Kiuskerinsaari and securing a beachhead in Teikarinsaari Island and capture the island in there. 1st Iskukomppania would arrive as 2nd stage, capture northwest part of the island and sent recon to southern part of the island. The 3rd stage of the attack would be landing of the rifle company and most of machinegun company and depended development of the situation. Artillery support was one artillery battery of four 75 K/17 field guns located to Vilaniemi Cape.

The attack started 01:30 29th of August. Kiuskersaari Island was captured with a Soviet patrol found there taken was prisoners of war. The landing to Teikarinsaari Island succeeded also, but apparently the Soviets spotted since they started firing flares from northern part of the island. 2nd Iskukomppania half platoon behind to secure the beachhead and headed to village surrounding it from north and west, the first skirmish happened there and was followed by a Soviet counter-attack. The counter-attack was repulsed, but it halted advance of 2nd Iskukomppania.

1st Iskukomppania landed soon after the 2nd Iskukomppania. Most of 1st Iskukomppania headed to northwest part of the island, while its smaller part headed towards southern part of the island for the recon mission. The company succeeded forcing the Soviet troops to retreat in end of the north-west cape, where the Soviets had a base. Attempted counter-attack was repulsed and once reinforcements started arriving the base was captured by 04:30

Once reinforcements had arrived the village was captured by attacking it from south and southeast. The Soviet troops defending the village retreated towards northeast cape, where the battle continued until 12:30. Small number of Soviet soldiers succeeded escaping from northeast cape of the island by boat.

Around 11:00 the Soviets attempted approaching the island with boats escorted by gunboats. The attempt was repulsed with fire of two machinegun platoons and some captured antitank-guns.

According Finnish intel the island was defended by a reinforced rifle company, which had about 100 men. According estimates only about 20 men had succeeded escaping. During the attack Finnish artillery support had proved too inaccurate, so after brief use it wasn't used anymore. Soviet troops defending the island received fire support from gunboats and artillery battery located to nearby Tuppura Island. Finnish losses for this battle were 8 men killed in action and 16 wounded.

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby olegb on 24 Nov 2009 19:43

Many thanks for your answers!
The first date (25th) I met in some soviet/russian books (mainly memories).
The other one (29th) I found in Report of Commandant of Vyborg costal defence sector(Central Navy archives).
I think that 29th of August is right date.
Acc.to the above report there were abt 80 men ( border-guard post personnel and convoy platoon) and 2 45mm anti-tank guns in the island.
May be you have more precisely information abt soviet losses in the battle: kia & pow?
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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby JTV on 25 Nov 2009 05:49

olegb wrote:Many thanks for your answers!
Acc.to the above report there were abt 80 men ( border-guard post personnel and convoy platoon) and 2 45mm anti-tank guns in the island.
May be you have more precisely information abt soviet losses in the battle: kia & pow?


None of the three books mentioned above seems to offer anything more specific about Soviet losses beyond mentioning that estimated 20 men or so succeeded escaping by boat, while the rest were either killed in action or taken as POWs.

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby olegb on 29 Nov 2009 14:31

I'll not open new topic but ask here.
There is island MARTINSAARI (new name Malyy Pogranichnyy) straight in the Russian-Finnish boundary ( 60 28' North 027 46' East). In the beginning of July,1941 the island had been occupied (or returned -it's up to you) by Finnish Army.
Have anybody more information about that event?
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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Juha Tompuri on 29 Nov 2009 23:58

Hi,

At Koivisto Ja Viipurinlahti 1939-44 book there is a short mention that the same Finnish unit that captured Island Teikari also took some small islands for instance Santio, Parrio and Martinsaari.
Exact date(s) are not mentioned but perhaps late June(-early July).
After capturing Martinsaari, a 107mm artillery section, guards unit and artillery fire control elementis was stationed there.

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby peeved on 30 Nov 2009 00:20

According to Jatkosodan Historia 6 II Linnakkeisto (II Fortification Batallion) captured Martinsaari, Vehkasaari, Parrio and Santio in the early morning hours of 30 June.

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Juha Tompuri on 30 Nov 2009 08:19

Koivisto and Viipurinlahti 1939-44 book also mentiones that enemy artillery (at their islands, number detected by Finns: 8 x 122mm , 12 x 76mm + heavy & light mortars and AT-guns) shelled the Vehkasaari-Martinsaari area with 1500 grenades on 1st July 1941

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby olegb on 30 Nov 2009 08:51

Thank you, Juha and Markus!
There was soviet border-guard post in Martinsaary but it was removed straight before war action.
8 X 122mm (A-19,I guess), 4 x 76mm, 10x 45mm guns were in Pukkio at the begining(no info abt. mortars). All of them were part of 32nd Separate Costal Artillery Division.
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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Swing on 16 Jul 2012 11:25

At one of Russian forums I found a map of Teikarsaari battle on 28.8.1941. May be somebody knows the source of this map?
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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Vaeltaja on 16 Jul 2012 11:38

From the looks of it that is probably from one of the war diaries from the Finnish National Archives (http://digi.narc.fi/digi/)

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Swing on 16 Jul 2012 19:10

I checked Rannikkopataljoona 2 and Rannikkoprikaati 2 war diaries (1941) but did not found this one. New ideas are highly appreciated :)

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Vaeltaja on 16 Jul 2012 20:34

There it is. There was a temporary formation named 'Taisteluosasto Miettinen' (Battle Group/Detachment/Section Miettinen - named after its commander) formed for the operation which filed the relevant documents under its own name. Though given the 'ingenious' solution of using different colors (and then making black-and-white records from them) they are a bit difficult to read.

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Re: Teikarsaari'41

Postby Swing on 16 Jul 2012 21:05

Thank you very much, Vaeltaja! Indicated link is great finding!

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