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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Sturm78 » 24 Jun 2014, 12:29

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this ambulance? I am sure that It is of british origin but, What model? :?

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Bill Murray » 24 Jun 2014, 12:38

Hi Sturm:

Yes, British. It is a Bedford ML.

It has an SA registration plate so must be in Finnish military service.
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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Sturm78 » 25 Jun 2014, 00:00

Thank you very much for your help, Bill. :)

A very rare vehicle.. 8O

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by BarSeek » 25 Jun 2014, 07:51

See SA-photo 28999 for this truck too.

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 25 Jun 2014, 16:35

BarSeek wrote:See SA-photo 28999 for this truck too.
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...and another at SA-photo # 33799 Image

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jul 2014, 12:26

Hi all,

I am not sure : Finnish armoured train 1 or 2 ?? :?
Looks like missing half of the train, no??

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by JTV » 09 Jul 2014, 18:44

Sturm78 wrote: I am not sure : Finnish armoured train 1 or 2 ?? :?
Looks like missing half of the train, no??
Combination of time (10th of July 1941) and place (Simola) for when the photo was taken suggests Armoured Train 1:
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/TRAINS8.htm

And yes, about half of the train is somewhere else...

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jul 2014, 23:19

Thank you, Jarkko. :)

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Milgeek » 12 Jul 2014, 11:30

Found a wonderfully rare shot of one of the Finn's big International Harvester K7s!

As it happens this example - Sirkia Island in 1943 - has a rudimentary camo which *appears* to be black over olive (in splinter fashion). But this is a guess...

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SA KUVA: Photo No: 130672

I believe a batch of these powerful American trucks was bought specifically for the Finn's artillery in 1940.

I presume this sort of camo was applied by the unit on a ad hoc basis? (And are not to a formal or official pattern?)

I've seen this sort of 'black & green' splinter camo before on Finnish Citroen C45s (from 1941)...

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SA KUVA: Photo No. 22879

Can anyone provide any infor on this pattern? Was it 'black-over-olive green' - or something else? AND was this sort of ad hoc camo used throughout the war (including the Lapland War)?

Thanks,

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Tommy R » 13 Jul 2014, 12:24

My guess is that the dark color is the original paint and the lighter shades are either Finnish Field Grey or Moss Green.

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Milgeek » 13 Jul 2014, 12:36

Hi Tommy,

For the IH K7...

yes, looking at the photos carefully it does look like the lighter shade (field grey or moss green ) has indeed been painted over the top of a darker colour (I would presume black as any other colour would have been ridiculous).

If you look at the lighter shade it's patchy in places.

SO...Going out on a limb...I think it's black vehicles which have had moss green loosely applied in patches.

(...Waits for someone to tell me otherwise!) :wink:

For the Citroen C 45...

These may have come from the Germans in the normal dark Field Grey, so that may be teh base dark colour over which patches of moss green have been applied...

Again...Complete guesswork without access to reference or colour photos. :cry:

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by John Hilly » 14 Jul 2014, 12:22

Here's an original Citroën line-up in spring 1943:
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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Sturm78 » 14 Aug 2014, 00:20

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this truck ??

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Bill Murray » 14 Aug 2014, 01:40

Hi Sturm:

I don't have the time just now to identify the exact model, but your photo is I believe a Scania Vabis truck from about 1940, probably an ex civilian Finnish vehicle.

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Re: Camouflaged Cars and Lorries

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 Aug 2014, 22:30

Hi Bill,

Yep, judging by the book Image seems to be a (right hand side driving) Scania Vabis L1664.
Belonging to the best quality trucks at Finnish service during the wars.

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