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Unknown AA-mg?

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 02 May 2014, 20:33

Suulajärvi airfield(?) 26.8.43.
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Post by Juha Tompuri » 02 May 2014, 21:19

Ex-aircraft Browning?
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30034904

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Post by John Hilly » 03 May 2014, 15:57

Interesting that the corporal wears Artillery collar tabs. AAA normally used Air Force tabs.
Recently transferred perhaps?

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 18 May 2014, 21:02

Couple others:

From SA-photo archives http://sa-kuva.fi/
Photos a_449 and 10905
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Corporal who shot down a Soviet R-5 with the mg at the photo. Suistamo airfield 1940.01.12
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Post by Juha Tompuri » 18 May 2014, 21:34

R-5 mentioned to have been shot down probably by the above mentioned AA-mg at Suistamo airfield
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SA-photo a_435
More photos a_431 - a_439 and a_517 - a_518

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Post by Sturm78 » 20 May 2014, 14:40

Hi all,

MG08 ?? :?

According to http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MG2.htm, Finland had not this model of MG in 1939-40

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Post by JTV » 20 May 2014, 17:48

Sturm78 wrote: MG08 ?? :?

According to http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MG2.htm, Finland had not this model of MG in 1939-40

Images from SA-Kuva archive (10951-8291)
Top: 7.62 mm Maxim m/32-33 with its tripod folded into anti-aircraft position.
Bottom: 7.62 mm Maxim m/09 with non-standard (but possibly industrially manufactured?) fixed anti-aircraft mount.

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Post by JTV » 20 May 2014, 17:51

Juha Tompuri wrote:R-5 mentioned to have been shot down probably by the above mentioned AA-mg at Suistamo airfield
SA-photo a_435
More photos a_431 - a_439 and a_517 - a_518
The machinegun shown in this and "1940.02.07" photo are likely captured PV-1 aircraft machineguns.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 May 2014, 20:09

JTV wrote:
Juha Tompuri wrote:R-5 mentioned to have been shot down probably by the above mentioned AA-mg at Suistamo airfield
SA-photo a_435
More photos a_431 - a_439 and a_517 - a_518
The machinegun shown in this...
Yes, also mentioned at the photo source: http://waralbum.ru/197072/
JTV wrote:and "1940.02.07" photo are likely captured PV-1 aircraft machineguns.
Hmmm...
At least here there are several differences:
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Post by Sturm78 » 20 May 2014, 21:25

Jarkko wrote
Top: 7.62 mm Maxim m/32-33 with its tripod folded into anti-aircraft position.
Bottom: 7.62 mm Maxim m/09 with non-standard (but possibly industrially manufactured?) fixed anti-aircraft mount.
Thank you very much for your help, Jarkko. :)

I am not sure about these another two machineguns.

Image 1: ?? Shkass :?
Image 2: Maxim M/09-21 on improvised AA mount??

Images from SA-Kuva archive (20433-8097)
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Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 May 2014, 21:46

Sturm78 wrote:Image 1: ?? Shkass :?
A twin Shkass
Sturm78 wrote:Image 2: Maxim M/09-21 on improvised AA mount??
Seems to be.
Cart wheel mount.

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Post by Sturm78 » 20 May 2014, 22:56

Thank you very much, again, for your help, Juha. :wink:

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 21 May 2014, 21:11

Another from the past:
SA-photo 162370:
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Post by Mangrove » 22 May 2014, 16:17

Yet another improvised mount: #4148, 5 February 1940. The gunner Olavi Elo has rather interesting civilian gloves with Norwegian inspired motif (Aid from Norway or local production?).

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Post by JTV » 24 May 2014, 20:16

Juha Tompuri wrote: Hmmm...
At least here there are several differences...
I took a second look and it you are correct - it is not PV-1. It is definetely Maxim-based design, but receiver is shallow. My best guess is Vickers aircraft machinegun (observer's / machinegunner's version) of some sort in either 7.62 x 53R or .303 British - quite possibly version closely related to Vickers class E.

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