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by **Juha Tompuri** on 19 Apr 2005 11:06

Esa K wrote:When thinking about the size of the tag, I have to redefine the word "civilians". New try: Read civilians in my latest post as: Cattle, cows, live stock......

BINGO!
Very well done Esa, some live stock, farming equipment etc were already marked with these tags at our family farm at summer 1944. If the Finnish defence wouldn't have blocked the Soviet attack at Bay of Viborg and Tali-Ihantala, our farm would have been evacuated. And those tags would have taken into real use.

Over to Sweden

Regards, Juha

by **Esa K** on 19 Apr 2005 13:25

Thanks Juha

Should had thougt of the size of the tags in the first place, then it probably immidiately had come to my mind that my father told me that when the evacuated Carelians came to South-Ostrobothnia in 1940, he and the other kids noted that their cows had nametags, and among the kids this was something really peculiar, so they had many funny ideas what the reasons to the tags could be.

New Q.

One of the most dangerous Finnish operations during the Continuation War took place in the Rukajärvi sector/direktion.

1. Wich operation am I refering to?

2. Wich units/individuals was involved in the operation?

3. What was the operations goal/objectiv?

asks

Esa K

by **Esa K** on 20 Apr 2005 19:17

Time for hint number one.

Hint # 1: One Pioneer/Engineer Captain (Pioneerikapteeni) was somehow involved.

Esa K

by **Esa K** on 21 Apr 2005 17:38

What about a hint number two.

Hint # 2: A sniper on guard.

by **Esa K** on 22 Apr 2005 09:54

And now, hint number three.

Hint # 3: A Soviet mortar.

by **Esa K** on 23 Apr 2005 13:48

Here comes hint number four.

Hint # 4: 50 mm.

by **Juha Tompuri** on 23 Apr 2005 19:31

Esa,

This is really a stab in the dark, but one incident matches at least to some of your hints:

8th July 1944 at Rukajärvi sector one Finnish soldier (a sniper) got wounded by an unexplosed Soviet 50mm mortar grenade hitting him to the back (penetrating the upper back and ending in the lower back )

Esa wrote:1. Wich operation am I refering to?

2. Wich units/individuals was involved in the operation?

3. What was the operations goal/objectiv?

1.- Perhaps the one I wrote above?
2.- 5th Company of Infantry Regiment 10 / Private Turunen, Medical Captain Paavo Vara (and a nurse?)
3.- Removing the grenade from the back of private Hugo Turunen

Regards, Juha

by **Esa K** on 25 Apr 2005 13:13

Correct Juha!

"8th July 1944 at Rukajärvi sector one Finnish soldier (a sniper) got wounded by an unexplosed Soviet 50mm mortar grenade hitting him to the back (penetrating the upper back and ending in the lower back"

Thats the cause to what is said to be the most dangerous operation during the Continuation War. There are other operations than military ones, but maybe this is a military operation too, as it was performed, as you figured out, by Medical Major Vara

The grenade was opearated out from private Turunens back by Medical Major Vara, assisted by one nurse and with some assistance from a Pioneer Captain if advice about the grenade had been needed....

More about the incident in Finnish here:

http://www.veteraanienperinto.fi/suomi/ ... _ammus.htm

So, back to Tompuri, Myllykoski, Finland.

with regards and congratulations from

Esa K

PS(maybe my play with words was a leading a bit into wrong direction, dont know if the word objective or goal is used about surgical opreations...?)DS

by **Juha Tompuri** on 25 Apr 2005 22:14

Thanks Esa,

That was tough, at least for me.
Before your #3 hint, I had no idea about it. Just before your hint #4, I was about to ask whether it was a 50mm caliber one.
Here few pics about the case from book "Tuntematon Sota" and a new question.

Regards, Juha

by **Harri** on 25 Apr 2005 22:42

Pilot is Finnish fighter ace (Deputy Flight Leader of 1st Flight / Flying Squadron 24) Lt. Jorma "Zamba" Sarvanto who shot down six Soviet Ilyushin DB-3M bombers within four minutes on 6.1.1940 and scored 12 5/6 kills during the Winter War.

The photo was taken next day on 7.1.1940 in Sippola Estate.

by **Juha Tompuri** on 25 Apr 2005 23:04

Harri wrote:Pilot is Finnish fighter ace (Deputy Flight Leader of 1st Flight / Flying Squadron 24) Lt. Jorma "Zamba" Sarvanto who shot down six Soviet Ilyushin DB-3M bombers within four minutes on 6.1.1940 and scored 12 5/6 kills during the Winter War.

This one is correct...

The photo was taken next day on 7.1.1940 in Sippola Estate.

...but I'm afraid this isn't.
Please try again

Regards, Juha

by **Topspeed** on 26 Apr 2005 05:37

Esa K wrote:
More about the incident in Finnish here:

http://www.veteraanienperinto.fi/suomi/ ... _ammus.htm

How did Turunen get along after the incident ? 1 millimeter and sheer luck and he would have exploded according to article.

by **Esa K** on 26 Apr 2005 06:04

"Name the place where this pic was taken"

Is it at the IPAK (dont know in wich building it was located) in Kouvola?

regards

Esa K

by **Juha Tompuri** on 26 Apr 2005 11:09

Hi Esa,

Sorry but not Kouvola either.
You and Harri have now straddeled "the target"

Topspeed wrote:How did Turunen get along after the incident ?

According to the "Tuntematon Sota" he finished the war being wounded three times (30% invalid), but still worked as a lumberjack.
Not a thing the Finnish society can be proud of.
At the same book there is also another story about Corporal Toivo Heiskanen who also got wounded from an unexplosed 50mm mortar grenade 17th August 1942.
The grenade hit him near left collarbone and ended to his stomach. It was removed from his "belly side" in an operation done by Medical captain Georgwilhelm Wallgren at Karhumäki.

Regards, Juha

by **Harri** on 26 Apr 2005 16:17

Utti airbase Officers' Club?

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