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[John Hilly]

The unit in question is obviously the 34th Fighter Squadron, and the emblem to my knowledge was only used in (some?) of their MT (Bf-109) fighters. I am curious about any information regarding the emblem though

"The new unit emblem (derived from an idea put forward by its Commanding Officer), comprising a fledgling eagle, was painted onto the rudder of this fighter [meaning: MT-423] and MT-451 in May 1944. These were the only known wartime applications of the badge."

So this would indicate the emblem was the idea of Eino "Eikka" Luukkanen. From where he got the idea, or why, I have not been able to find out.

When writing this question I had an incorrect memory that the emblem was taken in use after Luukanen's crash landing during the summer 1944, but as you said Luukkanen suggested it on 7th May 1944. Why? Nobody seems to remember...

The emblem was used also after the war. Here's MT-501 in 1955:

MT-501 afterwar.jpg (27 KiB) Viewed 3067 times

Your answer is well adequate, so it's your turn next!

Here's info and pics in Finnish about LLv 34.
http://personal.inet.fi/peli/LLv34/LLv34/2hist.htm

With best, J-P

[Juha Tompuri]

HävLv 33's Valmet Vihuri in Utti

http://personal.inet.fi/peli/LLv34/LLv34/2hist.htm

[Panssari Salama]

Forgot to add the sources to my MT airframe pictures.

• MT-423 was taken from the excellent Wings Pallette site: http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/33/78/1
  MT-451 was taken from Historical Wings modeling site: http://www.historicalwings.com/?page_id=1577

[Panssari Salama]

So let us continue with HLeLv 34 then.

I tried, in vain, to find a war time picture of an 1st Flight airframe with the "eagle fledgling" emblem on it. In fact, I did not find any at all, so the post-war MT-501 picture by John Hilly was the first actual one I've seen painted on "real" MTs



I went through the SA-Kuva.fi archive, and found this, though:

• Mannerheim Cross Knight, Major Luukkanen in his fighter plane, scrambling to intercept hostile aircraft. Immola Air field, 1944.06.15
  Mannerheim-ritari, majuri Luukkanen hävittäjäkoneessaan lähdössä hälytyslennolle. Immolan lentokenttä 1944.06.15
  Source: SA-Kuva.fi

We're quite unlucky the wing of his MT-451 hides the airframe number and the emblem. Or are we?

Question: Assuming this is indeed Major Luukkanen as the text informs us, is this indeed MT-451?

[Panssari Salama]

Question: Assuming this is indeed Major Luukkanen as the text informs us, is this indeed MT-451?

Here's another MT-451 model picture, in a similar position as the picture above:





The "White 0" seems to be missing, but hey ho the other one is a picture of a model, while the other one is an old black-and-white photograph...?

[Panssari Salama]

So let us continue with HLeLv 34 then.

I tried, in vain, to find a war time picture of an 1st Flight airframe with the "eagle fledgling" emblem on it. In fact, I did not find any at all, so the post-war MT-501 picture by John Hilly was the first actual one I've seen painted on "real" MTs



I went through the SA-Kuva.fi archive, and found this, though:

• Mannerheim Cross Knight, Major Luukkanen in his fighter plane, scrambling to intercept hostile aircraft. Immola Air field, 1944.06.15
  Mannerheim-ritari, majuri Luukkanen hävittäjäkoneessaan lähdössä hälytyslennolle. Immolan lentokenttä 1944.06.15
  Source: SA-Kuva.fi

We're quite unlucky the wing of his MT-451 hides the airframe number and the emblem. Or are we?

Question: Assuming this is indeed Major Luukkanen as the text informs us, is this indeed MT-451?

The answer to this question can be found by looking at Major Luukkanen's where abouts on this date...

[John Hilly]

My earlier post seems to have vanished to the heaven of bits, so here's a pic again:

MT-423.jpg (20.96 KiB) Viewed 2922 times

Source: http://personal.inet.fi/peli/LLv34/LLv34/2hist.htm

[Panssari Salama]

Thank you JH! Where is the lower picture from? I've never seen it before

[John Hilly]

Problem is that I reframed it from a picture whose URL was in the post that was mysteriously lost.
Now I just can not find it anymore.

With best, J-P

[peeved]

From the same page as this pic from a book unknown to me based on the numbering:



Markus

[Panssari Salama]

From the same page as this pic from a book unknown to me based on the numbering:

Markus

Thank you!

[Panssari Salama]

Let us bring this question to its disclosure so we can all go out and enjoy the coming 1st of May celebrations!

Here's the previous questions, in bold font:

So let us continue with HLeLv 34 then.

I tried, in vain, to find a war time picture of an 1st Flight airframe with the "eagle fledgling" emblem on it. In fact, I did not find any at all, so the post-war MT-501 picture by John Hilly was the first actual one I've seen painted on "real" MTs

I went through the SA-Kuva.fi archive, and found this, though:

• Mannerheim Cross Knight, Major Luukkanen in his fighter plane, scrambling to intercept hostile aircraft. Immola Air field, 1944.06.15
  Mannerheim-ritari, majuri Luukkanen hävittäjäkoneessaan lähdössä hälytyslennolle. Immolan lentokenttä 1944.06.15
  Source: SA-Kuva.fi

We're quite unlucky the wing of his MT-451 hides the airframe number and the emblem. Or are we?

Question: Assuming this is indeed Major Luukkanen as the text informs us, is this indeed MT-451?

The answer to this question can be found by looking at Major Luukkanen's where abouts on this date...

Next hint:

To answer the original question there's a certain table or statistics available, also online, with information regarding the pilot, the airframe he used, and the date in question, among other statistical information being presented

[Panssari Salama]

Let us bring this question to its disclosure so we can all go out and enjoy the coming 1st of May celebrations!

Here's the previous questions, in bold font:

So let us continue with HLeLv 34 then.

I tried, in vain, to find a war time picture of an 1st Flight airframe with the "eagle fledgling" emblem on it. In fact, I did not find any at all, so the post-war MT-501 picture by John Hilly was the first actual one I've seen painted on "real" MTs

I went through the SA-Kuva.fi archive, and found this, though:

• Mannerheim Cross Knight, Major Luukkanen in his fighter plane, scrambling to intercept hostile aircraft. Immola Air field, 1944.06.15
  Mannerheim-ritari, majuri Luukkanen hävittäjäkoneessaan lähdössä hälytyslennolle. Immolan lentokenttä 1944.06.15
  Source: SA-Kuva.fi

We're quite unlucky the wing of his MT-451 hides the airframe number and the emblem. Or are we?

Question: Assuming this is indeed Major Luukkanen as the text informs us, is this indeed MT-451?

The answer to this question can be found by looking at Major Luukkanen's where abouts on this date...

Next hint:

To answer the original question there's a certain table or statistics available, also online, with information regarding the pilot, the airframe he used, and the date in question, among other statistical information being presented

At a web page detailing HLeLv 34 aerial wins, there's the following information available regarding Major Luukkanen:

14. june 1944 17.15–18.15hrs Kuuterselkä Maj Eino Luukkanen MT-417 Airacobra
15. june 1944 9.45–10.55hrs Valkjärvi Maj Eino Luukkanen MT-417 Pe-2
17. june 1944 11.10–12.20hrs Perkjärvi and Kaukjärvi Maj Eino Luukkanen MT-417 Il-2 and La-5

Therefore it is likely the airframe in the picture is MT-417.

[Panssari Salama]

Anyone with a good question please proceed