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Postby TenorioM on 02 Nov 2009 07:27

Hitler's children, truly must see.

Click this link to watch, wait few seconds for it to load http://www.mayapro10.com/
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Postby penelopeat8pm on 02 Nov 2009 19:58

Wow, that was moving. I was shocked to hear that Goering's grand-niece got sterilized to not procreate other Goering children. I was also shocked by the eyewitness account of the cruelty of Amon Goeth.

Von Stauffenberg's grandson looks just like his grandfather.

It must be pretty overwhelming to live under the shadow of your ancestors' crimes. They were very brave to participate in this initiative. I'd love to see the results.
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Postby VtwinVince on 04 Nov 2009 22:24

Interesting video, but of course too heavily into the "Gesamtschuld" nonsense so common in Germany today.
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Postby Annelie on 04 Nov 2009 23:15

Shame that grandchildren feel the responsibility of what their grandfathers did.
Their Mothers I feel did them an injustice by allowing them to shoulder all this.


Interesting.
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Postby TenorioM on 07 Nov 2009 08:32

well, it seems to me this is not something they can control, let alone a choice on their part. I my father or grandfather had been a mass murderer, I may feel somewhat stained by the mere fact that I am a descendant of this man, have his genes, look like him etc. This is something for psychologists to comment on.
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Postby Annelie on 07 Nov 2009 14:28

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They are not responsible for the sins of their fathers but their actions
have made their children victims also.
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Postby Kanadon on 08 Nov 2009 04:17

Amon Goeth used to kill Jews in the presence of his wife?

"A son does not answer for his father." Stalin.
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Postby Rich57 on 18 Nov 2009 01:36

From what I have read of Amon Goeth, it does not surprise me that he would murder in front of his wife and child. It is a sad thing that the grand children of these men have to bear the shame of their grandfather's deeds.

Does anyone know if and when this will be available in the United States? I would very much like to see the entire documentary.
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Postby sziszlow on 18 Nov 2009 11:14

Annelie wrote:Shame that grandchildren feel the responsibility of what their grandfathers did.
Their Mothers I feel did them an injustice by allowing them to shoulder all this.


I completely agree, but how many of the mothers were happy that the war went the way it did, not many I would expect. I doubt that they turned pro Jewish after they lost. I personally see no correlation to the descendants and their ancestors, if that is the criteria for shame and guilt we are all guilty as our ancestors have been both wolf and prey. By this same reasoning I cast no particular dispersion on the Germanic races. It must be an emotive issue for the descendants so close to the acts, but I believe that they should toughen up and see it for what it was, a horific culmination of circumstance that hopefully will never run in congruence again.

P.S. Or do they gain some satisfaction from the role of descendant......late thought.
All things must pass....
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Postby Annelie on 18 Nov 2009 12:34

P.S. Or do they gain some satisfaction from the role of descendant......late thought


Absolutely not! They have been programmed to feel shame and guilt. I understand that every school age child in
Germany must visit a Holocaust Museum. While its good to reflect on past and not forget its also not good
to install such a burden for the past crimes of some.

That would be like saying the grandchildren of the victims also "gained satisfaction" your words from the
role of the descendent.
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Postby sziszlow on 19 Nov 2009 05:38

Annelie wrote:
P.S. Or do they gain some satisfaction from the role of descendant......late thought


Absolutely not! They have been programmed to feel shame and guilt. I understand that every school age child in
Germany must visit a Holocaust Museum. While its good to reflect on past and not forget its also not good
to install such a burden for the past crimes of some.

That would be like saying the grandchildren of the victims also "gained satisfaction" your words from the
role of the descendent.


No I certainly did not entertain that thought. My observation was purely personal, based on the guilt that my mature character would bear in regard to my forebears, I would accept no guilt for them regardless of the indoctrination in my formative years, I have racked up enough of my own. The pre ocupation with circumstance if you are fated to be a descendant is almost an occupational hazard, but you must refrain from personal involvement, it it psychologically damaging. That is the thought process behind my comment that the role may suit some other motive, such as a form of pennance for the acts of your relatives. In this instance the satisfaction would be the shedding of the guilt burden by contrition of acts you had no part in. I would feel no personal contrition for anothers acts, even if I was Hitlers conjoined twin.
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