Must see video

[TenorioM]

Hitler's children, truly must see.

Click this link to watch, wait few seconds for it to load http://www.mayapro10.com/

[penelopeat8pm]

Wow, that was moving. I was shocked to hear that Göring's grand-niece got sterilized to not procreate other Göring children. I was also shocked by the eyewitness account of the cruelty of Amon Goeth.

Von Stauffenberg's grandson looks just like his grandfather.

It must be pretty overwhelming to live under the shadow of your ancestors' crimes. They were very brave to participate in this initiative. I'd love to see the results.

[VtwinVince]

Interesting video, but of course too heavily into the "Gesamtschuld" nonsense so common in Germany today.

[Annelie]

Shame that grandchildren feel the responsibility of what their grandfathers did.
Their Mothers I feel did them an injustice by allowing them to shoulder all this.


Interesting.

[TenorioM]

well, it seems to me this is not something they can control, let alone a choice on their part. I my father or grandfather had been a mass murderer, I may feel somewhat stained by the mere fact that I am a descendant of this man, have his genes, look like him etc. This is something for psychologists to comment on.

[Annelie]

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They are not responsible for the sins of their fathers but their actions
have made their children victims also.

[Kanadon]

Amon Goeth used to kill Jews in the presence of his wife?

"A son does not answer for his father." Stalin.

[Rich57]

From what I have read of Amon Goeth, it does not surprise me that he would murder in front of his wife and child. It is a sad thing that the grand children of these men have to bear the shame of their grandfather's deeds.

Does anyone know if and when this will be available in the United States? I would very much like to see the entire documentary.

[sziszlow]

Shame that grandchildren feel the responsibility of what their grandfathers did.
Their Mothers I feel did them an injustice by allowing them to shoulder all this.

I completely agree, but how many of the mothers were happy that the war went the way it did, not many I would expect. I doubt that they turned pro Jewish after they lost. I personally see no correlation to the descendants and their ancestors, if that is the criteria for shame and guilt we are all guilty as our ancestors have been both wolf and prey. By this same reasoning I cast no particular dispersion on the Germanic races. It must be an emotive issue for the descendants so close to the acts, but I believe that they should toughen up and see it for what it was, a horific culmination of circumstance that hopefully will never run in congruence again.

P.S. Or do they gain some satisfaction from the role of descendant......late thought.

[Annelie]

P.S. Or do they gain some satisfaction from the role of descendant......late thought

Absolutely not! They have been programmed to feel shame and guilt. I understand that every school age child in
Germany must visit a Holocaust Museum. While its good to reflect on past and not forget its also not good
to install such a burden for the past crimes of some.

That would be like saying the grandchildren of the victims also "gained satisfaction" your words from the
role of the descendent.

[sziszlow]

P.S. Or do they gain some satisfaction from the role of descendant......late thought

Absolutely not! They have been programmed to feel shame and guilt. I understand that every school age child in
Germany must visit a Holocaust Museum. While its good to reflect on past and not forget its also not good
to install such a burden for the past crimes of some.

That would be like saying the grandchildren of the victims also "gained satisfaction" your words from the
role of the descendent.

No I certainly did not entertain that thought. My observation was purely personal, based on the guilt that my mature character would bear in regard to my forebears, I would accept no guilt for them regardless of the indoctrination in my formative years, I have racked up enough of my own. The pre ocupation with circumstance if you are fated to be a descendant is almost an occupational hazard, but you must refrain from personal involvement, it it psychologically damaging. That is the thought process behind my comment that the role may suit some other motive, such as a form of pennance for the acts of your relatives. In this instance the satisfaction would be the shedding of the guilt burden by contrition of acts you had no part in. I would feel no personal contrition for anothers acts, even if I was Hitlers conjoined twin.

[spiro]

Excellent find-thanks for sharing.

[J. Duncan]

Interesting video...I recognize Katrin Himmler (who wrote the good book "The Himmler Brothers"), Bettina Göring, Niklas Frank (who wrote a polemical letter to his father Hans, the "Buthcher of Poland"- which became a whole book titled "In the Shadow of the Reich"), and the daughter of Amon Goeth. I agree with Katrin Himmler that Bettina Göring, by getting sterilized, has used the same logic the Nazis used, that criminality is inherited and the genes need to be exterminated to stop the flow of "bad blood". The Nazis got these crapulous theories from Cesare Lombroso, a 19th Century social scientist who also helped spread another bogus pseudo-science of "phrenology", where criminality can also be determined by physical characteristics such as ear, eye, nose, and cranial shape. I find her decision to get sterilised to be a poor one.

[Annelie]

Just this day I am reading the book "The Himmler Brothers" by Katrin Himmler and have already read
"In The Shadow Of The Reich" by Niklas Frank.

Both are must reads.

I agree with Katrin Himmler that Bettina Göring, by getting sterilized, has used the same logic the Nazis used, that criminality is inherited and the genes need to be exterminated to stop the flow of "bad blood"

I don't know about this? One can inherit predisposed conditions such as mental and physical so
maybe there is a small amount of truth to it? That is not saying that it is a conclusion that it
would be a 100% but ?

In the end Bettina Göring did what she felt for her was the right thing to do.

[J. Duncan]

I would prefer to believe she did it simply because she didn't want children...period. No one is genetically predisposed to be a Fascist. Communism under Stalin believed just that! Stalin employed a scientist named Lysenko who theorized that "Communist Man" could be genetically inherited, including the corresponding Communist "mentality". Physically, we inherit genetic characterisitics, mentally we are conditioned by our environment unless we have a physical condition affecting the brain such as insanity or disease. Bettina has nothing to worry about as she is a free spirit of the "hippie" generation...by denying the next generation she denies her own existence...if the Göring genes should die, then she should technically kill herself too...good thing for her that her mother didn't do what she did or she would not exist. Should she further cremate herself so noone will get a scraping of DNA from her dead body to be used to create another Göring? What of her other relatives? Göring had a pretty big family and she is just a small part of the descendant chain. Should they be tracked down and sterilized or killed? Silly. Even Ira Levin in his novel "The Boys of Brazil" allows the Hitler duplicates a chance to survive. I find her reasons ludicrous just like Katrin Himmler did.