Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Landesgericht Munchner Platz Dresden death row cells

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Post by Pete26 » 16 Sep 2014, 01:08

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The condemned spent the last days of their lives in these tiny cells. They were lead outside into the courtyard where the guillotine stood and there they were beheaded.

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Condemned cell corridor, Gestapo prison Pankrac

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Post by Pete26 » 17 Sep 2014, 02:10

Corridor of the cell block IIA, with the death cells, in the Gestapo prison Pankrac, Prague. See the first photo in the enclosed document. This is a genuine Third Reich era photo, probably early 1940's, and these cells were undoubtedly filled with people waiting to be beheaded or hanged at the time the photo was taken. Note the sign above the entrance gate that says "Abteilung II", which in German means "Department II". It contained cells number 32 through 52.

Prior to April 1943 when Pankrac guillotine was put into operation, condemned prisoners were transferred to Dresden and beheaded there.

The guillotine execution suite was built by converting cells number 29, 30, and 31, so it was quite close to most of the condemned cells and the prisoners could hear the impact of the guillotine blade when executions were taking place.


http://www.forumhistoriae.sk/documents/ ... oha_04.pdf


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Pankrac Tegel fallbeil original photo when operational

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Post by Pete26 » 17 Sep 2014, 02:56

This is a genuine photo of Pankrac Tegel fallbeil taken while it was operational during 1943-1945. It is a regular Tegel fallbeil, missing all the improper substitutions that it received during its restoration after WWII.

Go to "Photo: fallbeil" in the list (about 110th item on the list) and download the photo. Maybe someone can post the photo?

http://www.kath-kirche-vorarlberg.at/th ... rt/@@files

The angle of the blade bottom edge is approximately 34 degrees. Note that the blood chute does not reach the floor, unlike the incorrect one they put on the restored fallbeil after the War. And the fallbeil has a vertical pull rod blade release, not a stubby lever on the vertical frame almost at the bench level. Also note the stout and narrow bench and its legs and a geared winch with an offset crank handle.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by htk » 17 Sep 2014, 21:19

Hi Pete

at yr request. Hans
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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by htk » 17 Sep 2014, 21:21

same origin.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by htk » 17 Sep 2014, 21:22

oeps. now with foto

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 18 Sep 2014, 03:32

Htk, you posted a wrong photo.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by gordon anderson » 18 Sep 2014, 21:17

I believe I have the one you want:
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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 18 Sep 2014, 22:48

Yes, thank you Gordon. I was not sure if you had posted an identical image of this fallbeil before. Anyway, I looked for it in this thread but could not find it.

There appear to be numerous blood stains on the floor around the fallbeil, indicating that most likely this photo was taken shortly after an execution.

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Roland Freisler trials in Carinthia

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Post by Pete26 » 20 Sep 2014, 17:57

http://memorialsentvid.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/13/

http://memorialsentvid.wordpress.com/20 ... ija-micej/

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Landesgericht in Klagenfurt, the capital of Carinthia, where trials took place. Those sentenced to death there were usually transported to Graz Landesgericht, which had a guillotine and was one of the Central execution sites of the Third Reich.

http://memorialsentvid.files.wordpress. ... =300&h=197

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Last letter 22 year old Teresia Micej wrote to her father before she and her mother were both beheaded in Graz for providing a food and place to stay to resistance fighters. They were both buried in a mass grave in Graz.
Bitte lieber Vater, verzeihe mir, wenn ich dir in meinem Leben Leid zugefügt habe. (…) So jung muss ich schon sterben. Aber bitte lieber Vater, verzage nicht, sei stark und bete recht viel für mich und meine Mutter. (…) Vergiss mich nicht, deine Tochter Resi.
Translated: "Please dear Father, forgive me if I told you inflicted suffering in my life. (...) So young I must die. But please, dear father, do not despair, be strong and pray very much for me and my mother. (...) Do not forget me, your daughter Resi. "

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Memorial tablet for Terezia Micej and her mother

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Post by Pete26 » 21 Sep 2014, 23:02

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Am 1. Juni 1944 wurden Terezija Mičej (2.9.1884) und Terezija Mičej (Tochter, 25.9.1922) von Schergen des NS-Regimes verhaftet. Sie wurden beschuldigt, Anfang Mai 1944 merhrmals Widerstandskämpfern in ihrem Haus Unterkunft gewährt und sie versorgt zu haben. Sie wurden deshalb im Gestapo-Gefängnis in Klagenfurt arretiert und über Wochen brutal gefoltert. Trotzdem hatten sie keinen Widerstandskämpfer verraten.

Für den Prozess wurde ihnen eine Verteidigung ausdrücklich verwehrt. Am 6.1. 1945 fand in Klagenfurt der Prozess gegen die beiden statt. Als Richter

fungierte der berüchtigte Blutrichter Roland Freisler. Beide Frauen wurden zum Tode verurteilt und am 12.1.1945 am Landesgericht Graz hingerichtet.


Nach der Befreiung von der nationalsozialistischen Diktatur würdigte der Ortspfarrer bereits die zwei Frauen für ihren mutigen Einsatz gegen das Unrechtsregime, die auch unter Folter keinen Widerstandskämpfer verraten hatten.

2009 wurden die Unrechtsurteile von der Republik Österreich aufgehoben.

http://memorialsentvid.wordpress.com/

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On June 1, 1944 Terezija Mičej (09/02/1884) and Terezija Mičej (daughter, 25/09/1922) were arrested by thugs of the Nazi regime. They were accused in early May of 1944 to have provided several times lodging and food in their house to resistance fighters. Therefore, they were locked up in the Gestapo prison in Klagenfurt and brutally tortured for weeks. Nevertheless, they had not betrayed any resistance fighters.

For the trial they were denied access to any defense lawyer. On 6.1. 1945 the trial of the two took place in Klagenfurt. The
judge was the infamous bloody judge Roland Freisler. Both women were sentenced to death and executed on 12.1.1945 at the Regional Court of Graz.


After the liberation from the Nazi dictatorship, a local priest praised the two women for their courageous efforts against the unjust regime, who had betrayed no resistance fighters under torture.

In 2009, the wrong judgments of the Republic of Austria were lifted.
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Landesgericht fur Strafsachen, Graz

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Post by Pete26 » 22 Sep 2014, 01:09

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Landesgericht für Strafsachen (Regional Court for Criminal Matters) Graz, one of the Central execution sites of the Third Reich. It had an execution room with a guillotine.

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Re: Memorial tablet for Terezia Micej and her mother

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Post by history1 » 22 Sep 2014, 08:13

Pete26 wrote:[...]
[...] 2009 wurden die Unrechtsurteile von der Republik Österreich aufgehoben.
[...]
Translated:[...] In 2009, the wrong judgments of the Republic of Austria were lifted.
Correct translation is:
In 2009 the unlawful verdicts got lifted by the Republic of Austria.
Quite a difference in the information, no?

Interesting also that the commemorative speeche at the uncovering of the plaque (in November 18th 2012) was helt by the chairman of the Association of the Carinthian Partisans! It seems that the Slovenians in Carinthia are still fighting nowadays.

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Re: Memorial tablet for Terezia Micej and her mother

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Post by Pete26 » 22 Sep 2014, 19:07

history1 wrote:
Pete26 wrote:[...]
[...] 2009 wurden die Unrechtsurteile von der Republik Österreich aufgehoben.
[...]
Translated:[...] In 2009, the wrong judgments of the Republic of Austria were lifted.
Correct translation is:
In 2009 the unlawful verdicts got lifted by the Republic of Austria.
Quite a difference in the information, no?

Interesting also that the commemorative speeche at the uncovering of the plaque (in November 18th 2012) was helt by the chairman of the Association of the Carinthian Partisans! It seems that the Slovenians in Carinthia are still fighting nowadays.
Google translator translated it as "wrong judgements". Perhaps more accurate term would be "unjust verdicts". Verdict and judgement in this context are pretty much interchangeable.

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Re: Memorial tablet for Terezia Micej and her mother

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Post by Pete26 » 22 Sep 2014, 19:10

history1 wrote:
Pete26 wrote:[...]
[...] 2009 wurden die Unrechtsurteile von der Republik Österreich aufgehoben.
[...]
Translated:[...] In 2009, the wrong judgments of the Republic of Austria were lifted.
Correct translation is:
In 2009 the unlawful verdicts got lifted by the Republic of Austria.
Quite a difference in the information, no?

Interesting also that the commemorative speeche at the uncovering of the plaque (in November 18th 2012) was helt by the chairman of the Association of the Carinthian Partisans! It seems that the Slovenians in Carinthia are still fighting nowadays.
Google translator translated it as "wrong judgements". Perhaps more accurate term would be "unjust verdicts". Verdict and judgement in this context are pretty much interchangeable. At the time these women were sentenced the verdicts were lawful according to Nazi judicial guidelines, but certainly unlawful and unjust by today's standards.

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