Stepan Bandera is now the Hero of Ukraine

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Stepan Bandera is now the Hero of Ukraine

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Post by Sergey » 22 Jan 2010, 16:11

http://en.rian.ru/exsoviet/20100122/157651041.html
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko, who leaves office soon after losing last week's presidential elections, has awarded the Hero of Ukraine title to Stepan Bandera, a nationalist leader in 1930-1960.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
According to a secret guideline of the Bandera-faction of the UPA of May 1941 the "Polish leaders" had to be "destroyed" but the "so-called Polish peasants" "assimilated". But leaflets spread in the name of Bandera in the same year called for the "destruction" of Russians, Poles, Hungarians and "Jewry"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizati ... tionalists
In their role within the police, Bandera's forces were involved in the extermination of Jewish civilians and the clearing of Jewish ghettos

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Post by JamesL » 22 Jan 2010, 17:11

Apparently this award is given to boxers, swimmers, footballers, singers, politicians and so on. The award standards appear to be very loose.

Is Bandera's award citation available in English?


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Post by Sergey » 22 Jan 2010, 17:24

JamesL wrote:Apparently this award is given to boxers, swimmers, footballers, singers, politicians and so on. The award standards appear to be very loose.

Is Bandera's award citation available in English?
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/57781/
Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko has conferred the rank of a Ukrainian hero to Stepan Bandera, the leader of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN).

The head of state said this during ceremonies marking Ukrainian Unity Day in Kyiv on Friday, Jan. 22.

"I decree to confer the rank of a Hero of Ukraine to Stepan Bandera and present a state order to him," Yushchenko said.

He said that the high rank had been conferred to Bandera for his "defending national ideas and battling for an independent Ukrainian state."

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Post by Sergey » 29 Jan 2010, 23:28

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 99,00.html
A prominent Jewish human rights organization has criticized the Ukrainian president's decision to give a posthumous award to a nationalist leader it describes as a Nazi collaborator.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center said in a statement Friday that Stepan Bandera and his followers were linked to the deaths of thousands of Jews in World War II's early stages.
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Mark Weitzman, the center's government affairs director, says it was a travesty to grant the honor as the world paused "to remember the victims of the Holocaust on January 27."

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Post by blackminorcapullets » 16 Feb 2010, 03:04

Bandera's was the only army to fight the Nazis and Communists in an effort to create an independent Ukraine.

He spent the war years in a Nazi prison and his brothers died in Aushwitz and his army included many Poles and Jews who believed in an independent Ukraine.

He was assassinated by the Kremlin after the war but it appears his character assassination continues.

http://www.ukemonde.com/murderbymoscow/bandera.html

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Post by David Thompson » 16 Feb 2010, 05:06

blackminorcapulets -- You wrote, of Stepan Bandera:
He was assassinated by the Kremlin after the war but it appears his character assassination continues.
Mr. Bandera is a controversial figure. Whether or not the controversy amounts to character assassination has yet to be shown:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

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Post by AdaOg » 25 Feb 2010, 22:18

European Union resolution
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... anguage=EN
Stepan Bandera, a leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) which collaborated with Nazi Germany, the title of 'National Hero of Ukraine'; hopes, in this regard, that the new Ukrainian leadership will reconsider such decisions and will maintain its commitment to European values;
Many historians explores the topic about Bandera and OUn UPA.
Among them - mayor studies and most known historians.

• The Shoah in Ukraine: History, Testimony, Memorialization by Ray Brandon (editor), Wendy Lower (editor)

• Alliance For Murder: The Nazi-Ukrainian Nationalist Partnership by B.F. Sabrin (Editor)

• The Holocaust of Volhynian Jews: 1941-44 and The Jews of Volhynia and their reaction on extermination by Shmuel Spector Yad Vashem

• Reconstruction of the nations, Timothy Snyder, Yale University Professor

• War Criminality: A Blank Spot in the Collective Memory of the Ukrainian Diaspora (and other works) , John Paul Himka, Professor University of Alberta

• Heroes and Villains: Creating National History in Contemporary Ukraine, David R. Marples, Distinguished University Professor, University of Alberta

• Norman Davies (different works) - fellowship of the British Academy and the Royal Historical Society

• Ukrainian Nationalism, John A. Armstrong, Professor Emerites of Political Science, University of Chicago, University of Frankfurt am Main, Certification of Russian Institute, Columbia University, Council on Foreign Relations USA.

• Harvest of despair. Life and death in Ukraine under the nazi rule . Karel C. Berkhoff. Associate Professor, Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Amsterdam
All of them considers:
OUN UPA as Nazi collaborators
OUn UPA - mass murderers of innocent: Poles, Jews, Armenians, Ukrainians - who did not want to joint OUN UPA or those Ukrainians who had hidden the victims or refused to clea so called "spoiled blood" (what meant in mixed families to kill Polish mother/father/spouse, sister etc)
OUN UPA as mass murderers of another OUN UPA members
In
early August 1943, at the time of the Third Congress and before the anti-Polish massacres
had ended, Sluzhba Bezpeki (SB), the internal security organization of OUN(b), carried out a
bloody purge of the UPA and the civilian Ukrainian population. Hundreds of UPA members
were shot or put in a concentration camp near UPA’s headquarters. This purge was
prompted by fear of spies from the NKVD, the Soviet secret police, in the organization. SB
had concerns about the ideological purity of the UPA. (Per Anders Rudlingg, page 170
There was two formation OUN B and OUN M - fighting with each other - as Tymothy Snyder in "Reconstruction of the nations" tells " it is not enough examined but OUN UPA probably killed in 1943 as many Ukrainians as Poles" (page 185 of Polish edition) . All because of purges. Bandera's supporters created police inside unit SB (Sluzba Bezpeky) who was responsible for order inside the organization. Many members were trained in sepcial Gestapo training centre in Zakopane (Per Anders Rudling, op. cit. p. 167)
Before the creation of UPA unit high percentage of the first members of UPA were deserted policemen. They were known for theit mass murders on Jews ( Shoah Resource Center, The International School for Holocaust Studies, Yad Vashem)


Having on mind above mentioned info- and I can support it with another reliable historical quotation from the literature- I call on the moderators of the Forum - in the name of hundreds of victims of Ukrainian Nationalists movement - for not to let to put any topic connected with OUn UPA in "resistance" part of the forum. It gives the offence to murdered Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Czechs, Armenians and civilian Russians.

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Post by konami » 26 Feb 2010, 01:16

AdaOg wrote:European Union resolution
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... anguage=EN
Stepan Bandera, a leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) which collaborated with Nazi Germany, the title of 'National Hero of Ukraine'; hopes, in this regard, that the new Ukrainian leadership will reconsider such decisions and will maintain its commitment to European values;

What? Poles succeed in pushing their miserable historic agenda through European bureaucratic institutions? And these EU bureacrats half from whom come from either axis nations or from states like Britain, France and Poland that collaborated with Nazis in the 1930s and caused WWII are daring to instruct a sovereign non-EU nation what to do in such purely domestic issues.

I hope Ukraine will never be part of that pseudoeuropean bureaucratic cesspit.
Many historians explores the topic about Bandera and OUn UPA.
Among them - mayor studies and most known historians.


• The Shoah in Ukraine: History, Testimony, Memorialization by Ray Brandon (editor), Wendy Lower (editor)

• Alliance For Murder: The Nazi-Ukrainian Nationalist Partnership by B.F. Sabrin (Editor)

• The Holocaust of Volhynian Jews: 1941-44 and The Jews of Volhynia and their reaction on extermination by Shmuel Spector Yad Vashem

• Reconstruction of the nations, Timothy Snyder, Yale University Professor

• War Criminality: A Blank Spot in the Collective Memory of the Ukrainian Diaspora (and other works) , John Paul Himka, Professor University of Alberta

• Heroes and Villains: Creating National History in Contemporary Ukraine, David R. Marples, Distinguished University Professor, University of Alberta

• Norman Davies (different works) - fellowship of the British Academy and the Royal Historical Society

• Ukrainian Nationalism, John A. Armstrong, Professor Emerites of Political Science, University of Chicago, University of Frankfurt am Main, Certification of Russian Institute, Columbia University, Council on Foreign Relations USA.

• Harvest of despair. Life and death in Ukraine under the nazi rule . Karel C. Berkhoff. Associate Professor, Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Amsterdam

And how many of these historians know Ukrainian or at least Polish or Russian languages? They are absolutely incompetant on the topic and write their books on the second-hand information fabricated or perversed by politically/historically biased Poles, Jews or Russians etc.

All of them considers:
OUN UPA as Nazi collaborators
OUn UPA - mass murderers of innocent: Poles, Jews, Armenians, Ukrainians - who did not want to joint OUN UPA or those Ukrainians who had hidden the victims or refused to clea so called "spoiled blood" (what meant in mixed families to kill Polish mother/father/spouse, sister etc)
OUN UPA as mass murderers of another OUN UPA members In
early August 1943, at the time of the Third Congress and before the anti-Polish massacres
had ended, Sluzhba Bezpeki (SB), the internal security organization of OUN(b), carried out a
bloody purge of the UPA and the civilian Ukrainian population. Hundreds of UPA members
were shot or put in a concentration camp near UPA’s headquarters. This purge was
prompted by fear of spies from the NKVD, the Soviet secret police, in the organization. SB
had concerns about the ideological purity of the UPA. (Per Anders Rudlingg, page 170
There was two formation OUN B and OUN M - fighting with each other - as Tymothy Snyder in "Reconstruction of the nations" tells " it is not enough examined but OUN UPA probably killed in 1943 as many Ukrainians as Poles" (page 185 of Polish edition) . All because of purges. Bandera's supporters created police inside unit SB (Sluzba Bezpeky) who was responsible for order inside the organization. Many members were trained in sepcial Gestapo training centre in Zakopane (Per Anders Rudling, op. cit. p. 167)
Before the creation of UPA unit high percentage of the first members of UPA were deserted policemen. They were known for theit mass murders on Jews ( Shoah Resource Center, The International School for Holocaust Studies, Yad Vashem)


Having on mind above mentioned info- and I can support it with another reliable historical quotation from the literature- I call on the moderators of the Forum - in the name of hundreds of victims of Ukrainian Nationalists movement - for not to let to put any topic connected with OUn UPA in "resistance" part of the forum. It gives the offence to murdered Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Czechs, Armenians and civilian Russians.

Typical hysterical nuisence a la "innocent Poles and evil OUN-UPA". Following your logic you and the like give offence to those Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Germans, Poles, Jews etc . killed by Polish chauvenist governments and military formations since the Middle ages till the 1940s Please, moderators, move all the Poland-related military topics to Holocaust & 20th Century War Crimes section of the forum.

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Post by henryk » 07 Mar 2010, 22:26

http://www.thenews.pl/international/art ... Yanukovich to strip hero status from Ukraine nationalist leader?
05.03.2010 17:24
In a statement that will be welcomed in Poland, Ukraine’s new president Viktor Yanukovich has said that he may strip war-time Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera (right) of the title “Hero of Ukraine”.

"This decision will be taken before Victory Day [May 9]," Yanukovich said during a trip to Moscow, Friday.

Bandera’s title was awarded posthumously by Viktor Yushchenko at the end of his presidency in January this year, much to the anger of Poland’s President Lech Kaczynski.

Stepan Bandera, leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalist (OUN) - a controversial figure in Ukraine and hated in Poland - declared an independent Ukrainian state in Lviv in 1941. A period of ethnic cleansing of Galicia ensued, allegedly led by Bandera, resulting in the deaths of up to 100,000 Poles.

When former president Yushchenko declared Bandera “Hero of Ukraine” status, protests were made outside the Ukrainian embassy in Warsaw. President Kaczynski - normally an ally of Yushchenko - wrote in an angry statement: "To celebrate the activities of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) is seen categorically as a negative in Poland.”

The European Parliament also protested Yushchenko’s decree in February, calling on the new president to reverse it.

In Ukraine, Stepan Bandera’s hero status was celebrated in the western half of the country but met with outrage in the Russian speaking, eastern half, who remembered the man as a repressor and a “fascist” who collaborated with the Nazis during WW II.

Stepan Bandera died from poisoning by a KGB agent in 1959. (pg)[/quote]

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Post by jola » 07 Mar 2010, 23:42

So the Poles are now controling the EU bureaucrats... and the Ukrainian President.

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Post by konami » 13 Mar 2010, 11:56

jola wrote:So the Poles are now controling the EU bureaucrats...
Poles control very little in the EU. Their prime function as the EU member is to be the source of the cheap labour.

Poles just manage to insert one sentence in rather extensive EU resolution about Ukraine

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... anguage=DE

The thing is that the bulk of the EU MPs haven't even heard the name Bandera. Not to mention the fact that most of EU MPs do not read each bill thoroughly and certainly do not read such a declarative formal bill of resolution like the one about non-EU member Ukraine that is of no importance for the bulk of the EU MPs.


With that Polish hipocritical pushing that resolution Poles just antogonized significant part of Ukrainians and aroused anti-Polish and anti-EU sentiments in Ukraine. The resolution did not achieve anything else. Poles seem to forget that it was their attempts to impose Polish will on Ukrainians that always led to their Polish casualties. In oher words, all Polish victims in were caused by fascit, racist and occupational Polish governments. So don't try to accuse somebody else of Polish government sins.
and the Ukrainian President.
As to Yanukovich his political fate will harly be different from the one of Yushchenko.

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Post by Marcus » 13 Mar 2010, 12:01

Please drop the discussion on present-day politics.

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Post by JamesL » 13 Mar 2010, 17:04

Pardon my ignorance of Ukrainian Law, but is there a protocol or 'due process' or procedure in the Law regarding the stripping of medal(s) from World War II service members?

As far as I can tell the awarding of the medal was legitimate. It was made by an authorized person. How so the recall?

Below is what I have been able to find in the English language.

Hero of Ukraine decree, No. #944/98
STATUT (sic)
Of the Award of the President of Ukraine, The Hero of Ukraine
I. General Provisions
7. No one is entitled to deprive the holder of The Hero of Ukraine Award of his/her decoration.
Emphasis mine-JL
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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 13 Mar 2010, 17:29

Poles seem to forget that it was their attempts to impose Polish will on Ukrainians that always led to their Polish casualties. In oher words, all Polish victims in were caused by fascit, racist and occupational Polish governments.
Well, however repressive Polish rule was over parts of the western Ukraine in the 1920's and 1930's, it doesn't justify the Ukrainian ethnic cleansing and massacre of Poles in 1943 Volhynia.

Hopefully this thread won't turn into an endless loop blame game.

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