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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby uberjude on 11 Mar 2012 15:57

for whatever it's worth, this site seems to have a photo of Marchenko (lower right):

http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/hiwis.html

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby David Thompson on 11 Mar 2012 15:59

Thanks, uberjude.

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby Kajtmaz on 11 Mar 2012 22:34

uberjude wrote:a photo of Marchenko

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Primary source: Yoram Sheftel "The conspiracy to convict John Demjanjuk as 'Ivan Terrible' " p.177.(1 of 3 photos)



The two men pictured, both wearing Nazi SS uniforms, were identified in a 1961 Soviet war crimes trial as "Tkachuk," a Treblinka guard, and "Ivan Marczenko, the person who operated the motors of the gas chamber (and whom) the Jewish inmates called `Ivan Grozny," said Nishnic, quoting Israeli defense lawyer Yoram Sheftel's translation of excerpts from the trial transcript.


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"Tkachuk" or Nikolai Shelaev and "nazi SS uniform" are controversial.

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby rugbyball on 13 Mar 2012 22:28

Kristian S. wrote:No, he was most likely not. The actual "Ivan the Terrible" was a man named Ivan Marchenko:

On July 29, 1993, a five-judge panel of the Israeli Supreme Court overturned the guilty verdict on appeal. Their ruling was based on the written statements of 37 former guards at Treblinka that identified Ivan the Terrible as "Ivan Marchenko."[30] U.S. officials had originally been aware, without informing Demjanjuk's attorneys, of the testimony of two of these German guards.[31] However the Israeli justices mentioned how Demjanjuk had incorrectly listed his mother's maiden name as "Marchenko" in his 1951 application for U.S. visa.[30] Demjanjuk says he just wrote a common Ukrainian surname after he forgot his mother's real name.[31] ]


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_March ... _in_Israel

edit: Ivan Marchenko was killed in 1943 during an uprising in Treblinka.

I read some where that Ivan the Terrible was last seen leaving a brothel in Croatia in April 1945 ??

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby David Thompson on 13 Mar 2012 22:52

rugbyball -- You wrote, or asked:
I read some where that Ivan the Terrible was last seen leaving a brothel in Croatia in April 1945 ??

See the section rules:
Permissible subjects for this section of the forum are the holocaust and twentieth century war crimes. If a thread isn't discussing something related to those subjects, it's off-topic.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53962

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby paolosilv on 18 Mar 2012 09:53

Ivan Tkachuk, number 1284
I could find no info on this Trawniki guard, shown in the above photo. Thanks for any info.

yours, Paolos.

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby trespasser07 on 17 Aug 2012 14:29

Where was this picture taken and I wonder in what context??

Notice the picture of Jesus in the background and a cross on the right.

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby paolosilv on 11 Dec 2012 05:42

http://youtube/XiRirhxqxPE
Military Channel, Nazi Killer Police.

Disturbing images:
At 49.26, there is an image of Ivan Marchenko, or Ivan the Terrible. I have not been able to find this photo online.
Best, Paolo

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby michael mills on 11 Dec 2012 11:24


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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby Kajtmaz on 11 Dec 2012 18:15

paolosilv wrote:there is an image of Ivan Marchenko, or Ivan the Terrible. I have not been able to find this photo online.
Best, Paolo
s. Yoram Sheftel "The conspiracy to convict John Demjanjuk as 'Ivan Terrible' " p.176:
1) Ivan Marchenko on his wedding day
2) Ivan Marchenko on the day of his arrival at the Travniki camp

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Re: Need photo of "Ivan the Terrible"

Postby Kajtmaz on 11 Dec 2012 18:26

paolosilv wrote:Ivan Tkachuk, number 1284
I could find no info on this Trawniki guard, shown in the above photo. Thanks for any info.

yours, Paolos.

This is common info: viewtopic.php?p=1662994
nickterry wrote:This is a very stupid argument. Plenty of other Trawniki men who were inducted after March 1942 also signed a Dienstverpflichtung which referred to the Beauftragte/SS-und Polizeistuetzpunkte. Ivan Tkachuk, number 1284, signed just such a service obligation (Archive of the SBU Kiev, Shul'ts Trial, Case 66437, Archival No. 14, Vol. 31, pp.267-8).

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