So it is an Omer-counter? They sell them?Skyderick wrote:The text is too blurred to read, but the title seems to be Sefirat HaOmer (ספירת העמר).wm wrote:is this some kind of an auction?
The rug? underneath is quite worn out:
So it is an Omer-counter? They sell them?Skyderick wrote:The text is too blurred to read, but the title seems to be Sefirat HaOmer (ספירת העמר).wm wrote:is this some kind of an auction?
4thskorpion,4thskorpion wrote:From the above [on Jews in Poland]:
"...Many of them are wealthy and educated; but the great majority are poor, ignorant, and vicious, wandering about the villages and towns, intent on gain; monopolizing every petty traffic, descending to the most menial service for a penny; and not unfrequently increasing their unhallowed wealth by the licentiousness of their wives and daughters".
Really??
WM, the tracts of text that make up the subject of this thread are smattered throughout with overtly anti-Semitic rhetoric and seem to have little to do with the Holocaust & 20th Century War crimes? Or, is the intention for their inclusion to somehow portray these poor, ignorant and vicious wandering Polish Jews only intent on personal gain and monopolising every petty traffic, were low-life "outsiders" and thus became victims of the Holocaust because of it? Or is the intention to show how Nazi German and Polish nationalist propaganda used the same anti-Semitic language and themes in their campaigns against the Jews?
Sefirat HaOmer is the counting of 49 days between Passover and the Feast of Weeks. The object appears to be a decorative plate. The worn out "rug" is a cloth covering the cantor's podium. The picture shows the interior of a synagogue, over the bimah, during the counting of the Omer. At least as far as I can tell.wm wrote:So it is an Omer-counter? They sell them?Skyderick wrote:The text is too blurred to read, but the title seems to be Sefirat HaOmer (ספירת העמר).wm wrote:is this some kind of an auction?
The rug? underneath is quite worn out:
Unfortunately I can't agree with this. Their occupation profile wasn't really a problem. In the thirties the entire country slid into poverty, despite different occupation profiles of the other groups.Peter K wrote:High Jewish unemployement (in 1921 they were 10.5% of the population but as many as 22.2% of the unemployed population) resulted from the abnormal and highly monolithic character of their occupation profile - most of them were employed in commodity trade, usually those were small-scale traders. They were reluctant to move on to other occupations, and there was simply not enough room for so many traders.
They also faced increasing competition from Christian traders, who were supported by Christian population (i.e. "Christians buy from Christians"). And instead of changing their employment profile due to that competition, many Jews continued to do what they did, and slided into poverty. There emerged a large Jewish working class (industrial and mining workers) - still not as large as Christian, though.
But already in 1921 Jewish unemployment rate was much higher than that among Non-Jews (see above).wm wrote:In the thirties the entire country slid into poverty
Thank you. I can't believe I was so blind, I thought they were outside. The caption is mere Jews doing something.Skyderick wrote:Sefirat HaOmer is the counting of 49 days between Passover and the Feast of Weeks. The object appears to be a decorative plate. The worn out "rug" is a cloth covering the cantor's podium. The picture shows the interior of a synagogue, over the bimah, during the counting of the Omer. At least as far as I can tell.
Buell made precisely that point in his 1939 book "Poland, Key to Europe".In this circumstances only a sustained economic development could be the answer.
And actually this type of analyses were published in mainstream Polish press at that time. It is not just 20/20 hindsight.
There was a relationship between the existence of a large indigent Jewish population in Eastern Europe and the wartime Judeocide, although it was not a direct causal one.That is all good stuff Peter, but it doesn't answer the question (as per your quote of my post) which I put to wm on the relevance of this thread to the Holocaust & War Crimes unless it was because the social status of unregenerated Jews in Poland somehow led to their extermination in the Jewish Holocaust . I.e. they were the authors of their own fate by being unregenerated Jews.
Wealthier people aren't necessarily more productive; they may merely be thieves. As for the "poor, backward and uneducated people, the under class" -- they are certainly easier to oppress than the others.The fact is that there is a general human tendency to regard poor, backward and uneducated people, the under class, as less worthy of survival than wealthier and more productive people.
Thinking about it there is no good, civilized way to be exterminated.michael mills wrote:As Gerald Reitlinger pointed out in his 1954 work "The Final Solution", the first comprehensive study in English of the Judeocide, it was the most traditionalist part of European Jewry that was most savagely exterminated, and the more modernised and assimilated part that was most likely to survive.
A huge financial burden was the arms race with the neighbors, up to 30% maybe 40% of the national budget. In Poland the recovery started in 1935-1936, with less military spending it would be much easier.michael mills wrote:Unfortunately, in the 1930s such sustained economic development was not possible in Poland due to the Depression, from which even the United States could not recover until it entered the war at the end of 1941.
wm, I am sure you think you know more about the subject than historian dr. Marek Jan Chodakiewicz and can list your academic credentials and your papers/publications on the subject so we can judge on what basis you can make such statements?wm wrote:The extraordinary terror against the Jews was mitigated by policy consideration too, especially by the constant demands for manpower.
The claim that the exigencies of the Nazi battle for victory were overridden is an old myth.
Actually Holocaust was beneficial to the Nazi economy and would have contributed to the victory, except there was no victory.