Was Max Wünsche and not Gerd Bremer in Command at the Château d’Audrieu 8.6.1944?

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Re: Was Max Wünsche and not Gerd Bremer in Command at the Château d’Audrieu 8.6.1944?

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Post by Harro » 06 May 2015, 18:36

seaburn wrote:It is not clear to me why Bremer would name Aust, perhaps this man was dead or did not exist.
SS-Oscha. Heinz Aust was born on 23.02.1921 in Langenbielau (since 1945 Bielawa in Poland), joined the SS on 14.11.1939 and served under Bremer in the 1./AA LAH before he was transfered to the HJ Division. His date of death is 19.09.1944 and he is burried at the Daleiden War Cemetery.
jan willem stokkers wrote:I wonder what happend to Buchhheim after he got wounded in Normandy.
Listed with "Dienstst. Heißmeyer" in February 1945, according to John Moore's Führerliste. This was the Dienststelle Heißmeyer, named after its commander, SS-Obergruppenführer August Heißmeyer, The Dienststelle organized activities at Napolas aimed at recruiting students for the SS and Polizei. I guess this was considered a useful job for "versehrte SS-Führer" like Buchheim.

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Re: Was Max Wünsche and not Gerd Bremer in Command at the Château d’Audrieu 8.6.1944?

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Post by jan willem stokkers » 06 May 2015, 19:11

Sorry yess i knew that Timo..it had to be after the war. Nobody has ever spoken to him.
Uscha. Hugo Wolf was 2.Kp.AA.12HJ

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Re: Was Max Wünsche and not Gerd Bremer in Command at the Château d’Audrieu 8.6.1944?

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Post by seaburn » 06 May 2015, 23:18

Thanks for adding 'JWS' and 'Harro' - some answers to questions raised and some observations.

Firstly, thanks for the info on Wolf - he didn't feature at all in the files I have other than this reference, which in fact may or may not even be him. But as this is included in a Château Audrieu file it has to be connected somehow to the man who was listed in the Nuremberg papers as posted earlier. This is a portion of a letter from the War crimes legal team to presumably his legal representative in 1948.
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Here is Rautschka's testimony which hopefully answers your question JW.
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I don't know where Bucheim was captured but I do know he was found in American custody by the British only in 1948. There is a letter from his wife asking for his release on health grounds from that year. The accusation made against him by Bremer was as low as any one could go in my opinion, the French seemed to have believed Bremer's story that he was wounded before the POWs were shot , thus his allegation against Bucheim was deadly serious- I'm not surprised he was not popular with vets if that story was known amongst them. Bucheim could well have hung for that.

That's Harro for the details on Aust, as mentioned already he became a person of interest to the investigation team solely on the basis of Bremer's allegation - Interesting that he served with Bremer in the LAH and then later with the 26th Reg of the HJ according to Bremer - he must have known he was KIA - but to besmirch his name even in death was low IMO.

Here's an interesting little allegation made by another member of the Recon Btln concerning Bremer - Paul Schaffranietz attempted to escape from French custody in 1946 - this is the reason he gives :
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I wonder was there any truth in his allegation?

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Re: Was Max Wünsche and not Gerd Bremer in Command at the Château d’Audrieu 8.6.1944?

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Post by jan willem stokkers » 07 May 2015, 10:16

This has to be the Lang Rautschka is talking about:

Mittwoch 22.12.1943:
SS-Unterscharführer Max Lang¹ aus der AA.1/LSSAH als Werkmeister-Anw.

This is the only Meier (Hstuf) i have:

Sonntag 10.10.1943:
SS-Hauptsturmführer d.R. Bernhard Meier kommt aus der SS-Pz.Aufk.Ausb.Abt.1 zur AA.12 „HJ“ (Führerversetzungen“)

There was a small Supply Kp.

Also interesting to read he talks about leaving the 8'th of June from the Lisieux area because the AA.12 already was on the move the front. The left in the early afernoon of the 6'th and arrived the morning of the 7'th at Cristot. The veterans told me they passed or moved through Lisieux. In Meyers book there is no mention of a supply Kp. but Wood/Dugdale give info on a supply kp.!

So maybey Meier was Kommander of Supply Kp.?

Interesting to read the story on Bremer there is a rumour in the veterans of AA.12 that Bremer escaped with lots of money and gold from Austria to Spain. Of his comrades was carrying a suitcache the whole time with him and his comrades told him to get rid of it. But he refused and had to bring it somewhere to Austria in secret.

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Re: Was Max Wünsche and not Gerd Bremer in Command at the Château d’Audrieu 8.6.1944?

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Post by seaburn » 07 May 2015, 15:26

As Schaffranietz only met this Georg Mayer in a POW camp, it is possible that he was not a fellow member of the AA Btln at all - although he does seem to have been personally acquainted with Bremer, but perhaps he knew him or served with him in the LAH? Mayer's name could also be spelt incorrectly here - so other similar spelling should be looked at ...ie. Meier/Maier etc. .

In this document Schaffranietz lists his rank is listed as Untersturmfuhrer, so confusion all round !

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Post by jan willem stokkers » 07 May 2015, 16:53

No i was refering to the statement on page 2 of this thread. There is info on a Kp.Commander HStuf.Meier as a Kp.commander. Because his talking about june '44 and there was a Meier in the AA.12 as i mentioned above.

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Post by seaburn » 07 May 2015, 17:46

Apologies JW ....there are just so many Meyers ! And now I'm going to add another one to the mix. I knew I had seen reference to a Meier before and I've tracked it down. The following pages come from TS26/856, the file on war crimes by the 12th HJ in Normandy. Kurt Meyer was asked who would have taken command if Bremer had been wounded on the 8th of June. He was not sure but he put forward the name of Hsf Meier. This is what the investigation team had to say about that:
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I then looked at the other report and coincidently found the allegation made against Hugo Wolf that had been missing, this was because he had nothing to do with the Audrieu case. Unfortunately it still doesn't give much information about Meier but perhaps you might get a lead from this:
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Post by jan willem stokkers » 07 May 2015, 21:40

Sonntag 10.10.1943:
SS-Hauptsturmführer d.R. Bernhard Meier kommt aus der SS-Pz.Aufk.Ausb.Abt.1 zur AA.12 „HJ“ (Führerversetzungen“)

Well this is the Meier who came to the AA.12

This is the info from FL John Moore:

Meier, Bernhard Hstuf. 15. 2.13 257 837 12.SS-Pz.Div. 11.43
Ostuf. Delmenhorst Aufkl.Abt.1 9.43
Ustuf. 4./Kradsch.Btl.2 11.41

So the big question is was he involved in something with I.Staffel or Supply?? Maybey Timo can say something on his AA.1 period?

Rugles and Supply also is a match: G le Kol. (Wurde der Versorgungs-Kompanie)

Feldpost AA.12 HJ: 58286
A Stab
B 1.Kp.
C 2.Kp.
D 3.Kp.
E 4.Kp.
F 5.Kp.
G le Kol. (Wurde der Versorgungs-Kompanie)

Untersturmführer Karl Kirchner, Ältester Untersturmführer, war beim Stab Aufklärungsabteilung 12 „HJ“ beim Nachschub Eingesetzt.
(KW-Becker told me this a few years ago). I know that 1 and 5 Kp. had there HQ in L’Aigles. Stab. not sure i've it was Rugles. But i know that the dentist of AA.12 was having his space in Rugles.

So it would not be strange that Meyer had the idea that Meier was commanding at that time.

Concerning war-crimes i have to say that Becker was always very open and never gave the impression that he was holding back. He just said it happend. On Ascq he heard different things but not that strange because every man involved told his own story and he was not on that train.

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Re: Was Max Wünsche and not Gerd Bremer in Command at the Château d’Audrieu 8.6.1944?

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Post by Ste » 08 May 2015, 13:36

This one could be the Max Lang reported by Rautschka.

Nachname: Lang
Vorname: Max
Dienstgrad: Oberscharführer
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 26.01.1945
Todes-/Vermisstenort: nicht verzeichnet

Max Lang ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Sankt Augustin-Menden.
Endgrablage: Grab 47

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Post by jan willem stokkers » 08 May 2015, 14:02

Hello Ste the name Max Lang came by me not by Rautschka.
I found the Max Lang in a transferlist but its not sure i've its also the Lang Rautschka is talking about. Because he only uses "Lang" in his statement
There is also an Ernst Lang at the Kriegsgräberstätte in La Cambe.
Endgrablage: Block 47 Reihe 7 Grab 272 Nachname:
Dienstgrad: Oberscharführer
Geburtsdatum:17.12.1912
Geburtsort: Olbesheim
Todes-/Vermisstendatum:28.07.1944


But hope some can help us with this?!

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Post by Ste » 08 May 2015, 14:19

Hi Jan Willem, yes you're right, mine was an assumption, and for this moment there's no way to be sure that's him.

My first idea for Rautschka was that the belonged to 5.Kompanie, because in his deposition talks about a sturmmann called Hill; the only Hill that I have in my database is Sturmmann Andreas Hill, who died on 30.6.1944 as member of 5./SS-Pz-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 12 (source: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=390).

However, the talks also about a Sturmmann Buszmann, who could be the same Jan Bussmann who appears in the Vermissten-Bildliste of the SS-SS-Pz-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 12 - Feldpostnummer 58286G.

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Post by jan willem stokkers » 08 May 2015, 15:08

I have an very old copy of this list sad enough but wenn look close at Bussmann he is a mechanik so that could indeed match with G?
Hill ofcourse could be present because Reitzenstein was Kp.Commander of 5.Kp..

And it is ofcourse also possible they knew eachtother from Ausbildung because he is very clear on names??

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Post by Ste » 08 May 2015, 16:10

jan willem stokkers wrote:I have an very old copy of this list sad enough but wenn look close at Bussmann he is a mechanik so that could indeed match with G?
Well,taking as example this Versorgungskompanie (KStN 1151c - f.G.) it had both supply troops and mechanichs.
Always as assumption , if the Vers.Ko. of the Abteilung was similar, it could be that Rautschka, Bussmann (and Isenberg?) were employed as mechanichs and the "I" Section was a Instandsetzungsgruppe.

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Post by Harro » 08 May 2015, 17:46

Don't know if the Max Lang from the AA12 had a history in the AA1 but there's one in my files. Unfortunately hardly any details:

SS-Unterscharführer Max Lang (Osterholz, 20.04.1908). Vater: Max Lang senior. Heimatanschrift: Osterholz-Scharmbeck, Osterholzstr. 1.

Guess this is probably the same Max Lang you found, JW? There was also an SS-Unterscharführer Kurt Lang, served in 15./LAH in 1940 (Inf.Strm.Abz in October).

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Post by seaburn » 10 May 2015, 19:30

Glad to see that these documents are causing a stir ! Here is what Kurt Meyer said about our mystery man... not sure it will make the search any easier though :D
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