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Re: Nazis definition of related blood ("artverwandtes Blut")

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Post by David Thompson » 27 Aug 2015, 08:09

Michael -- You wrote:
During the war, an estimated 200,000 Polish children were taken from orphanages, or from their families, and brought to Germany where they were given to adoptive parents to be raised as Germans.

If the German Government had considered the Poles to be of "alien blood", then such adoptions would not have been allowed.
That's correct as far as it goes, but it doesn't prove your point. The adopted or kidnapped children were typically those of "renegade" or "Polonized" Germans, so in the opinion of the SS-RuSHA those children were bearers of "German blood." The issue of whether Poles were of kindred or alien blood didn't come up.

"Document 2916-PS: Commitment Of Manpower Doctrines-Orders-Directives [partial translation]", in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression. Volume V: US Government Printing Office, District of Columbia: GPO, 1946. pp. 581-587.
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The Reichsfuehrer SS Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of the National Character of the German People

Edited by the Department I Office of the Reich Commissioner for the Strengthening of the National Character of the German People. 12/1940; Printed in the "Reich" printing office.

D. Re-Germanization of lost German Blood [Pages 51-52]

Commitment of Poles qualified for Re-Germanization.

The removal of foreign races from the incorporated Eastern Territories is one of the most essential goals to be accomplished in the German East. This is the chief national political task, which has to be executed in the incorporated eastern territories by the "Reichsfuehrer SS", Reich Commissioner for the strengthening of the national character of the German people. In solving this question, which is most closely connected with the ethnoindigenous problem in the eastern territories the racial selection is of the utmost and actually decisive importance, next to the aspects of language, education and confession. As necessary as it is, in the interest of a permanent solution for the German eastern territories, that the elements there of foreign descent should not be allowed to have or to take up their permanent residence there, so it is indispensable too, that persons of German blood in these territories must be regained for the German nation, even if those of German blood are Polonized as far as their confession and language is concerned. Just from these people of German blood, the former Polish State obtained those leaders, who eventually showed a violent hostile attitude against their own German People, be it through delusion, be it through a desired or unconscious misconception of their ties of blood.

Therefore, it is an absolute national political necessity to comb out those of German blood in the incorporated eastern territories and later also in the general government and to return the lost German blood to its own German people. It is, perhaps of secondary importance, what kind of measures are to be taken against renegades. It is critical that at least their children do not devolve anymore to the Poles, but are brought up in a German environment. The re-Germanization however can under no circumstance be carried out in former Polish environments and can only be effected in the old German Reich or in the Ostmark.

Thus, there are the following two primary reasons, which makes the regaining of lost German blood an urgent necessity.

1. Prevention of a further increase of the Polish intelligentsia, through families of German descent even if they are Polonized.

2. Increase of the population by racial elements desirable for the German nation, and the acquisition of ethno-biologically unobjectionable forces for the German reconstruction of agriculture and industry. The task of the re-Germanization of the lost German blood has been embarked upon next within the framework of the evacuation of those Poles in the "Warthegau" who had to make room for the resettlement of Baltic and Wolhynien-Germans.

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Re: Nazis definition of related blood ("artverwandtes Blut")

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Blood and Homeland: Eugenics and Racial Nationalism in Central and Southeast Europe, 1900-1940 by Marius Turda
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Re: Nazis definition of related blood ("artverwandtes Blut")

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Post by kuba kowalski » 28 Aug 2015, 00:38

4thskorpion wrote:Did the racial defilement laws also apply to Germany's enemies of France, Holland and other Western European countries or just the racially and genetically inferior enemies Jews, Poles and other Slavs that might defile pure German blood through the consequences of sexual intercourse.
Not officially but it was suggested.

The prohibition of sexual intercourse between Germans and Jews was forbidden by the Nuremberg Laws, there was no prohibition for sexual intercourse with Poles and Slavs by Nuremberg Laws, according to these racial laws it prohibited sexual intercourse between Poles (and other Slavs) and Jews.

Even when the laws which provided the death penalty for sexual relations between Germans and Polish workers or Eastern Workers there were certain problems that occurred, such as when the latter were considered suitable for Germanisation.

Only Poles and Russians (including Ukrainians and Belarusians) were punished by death for sexual intercourse with a German, this was not the case for other Slavs such as Czechs, Slovaks, etc.

RuSHA on prohibition of sexual intercourse between Germans and foreign workers:
VI. Sexual intercourse.

Sexual intercourse is forbidden to the manpower of the original Soviet Russian territory. By means of their closely confined quarters they have no opportunity for it. Should sexual intercourse be exercised nevertheless especially among the individually employed manpower on the farms -- the following is directed:

1. For every case of sexual intercourse with German countrymen or women, special treatment is to be requested for male manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory, transfer to a concentration camp for female manpower.

2. When exercising sexual intercourse with other foreign workers, the conduct of the manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory is to be punished as severe violation of discipline with transfer to a concentration camp.

VII. Measures against fraternization with manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory.

(1) Special attention is to be paid to the fundamental segregation of manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory from the German population. It is important to prevent a penetration of communistic ideology into the German population by cutting off every contact not directly pertaining to the work and, if possible, to avoid every solidarity between German people and the manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory. Against Germans who act to the contrary, steps are to be taken by the state police according to the situation of the individual case.

2) If German countrymen or women should exercise sexual intercourse or commit indecent acts with manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory, transfer to a concentration camp is to be requested.

(3) The intercourse between other foreign workers employed in the Reich and the manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory also brings great dangers to be dealt with by the security police; therefore, it should also be fought with measures against the foreign workers. As a rule, the transfer into a correction camp (deportation for Italians) will be considered; this is also valid for cases of sexual intercourse.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=553395

An interesting point is highlighted by Himmler's policy for Germanisation in Poland:
"3. Persons of German descent, who became connected with the Polish nation in the course of the years, but have on account of their attitude, the prerequisites to become full-fledged members of the German national community. To this group belong also persons of non- German descent who live in a people's mixed marriage with an ethnic German ill which the influence of the German spouse has prevailed. Persons of Masurian, Slonzak, or upper Silesian descent who are to be recognized as ethnic Germans, usually belong to this group 3.
So according to Himmler, an ethnic Pole in a mixed marriage with a German could be considered suitable for Germanisation.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=13435

The laws which prohibited sexual intercourse between Germans and Polish workers or the Poles or Eastern Workers and Russians in occupied territories were not applied to ALL people of Polish or Russian ancestry.

You've also made the claim that the Nazis implemented prohibited sexual intercourse between Germans and Slavs, can you provide a source?

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Re: Nazis definition of related blood ("artverwandtes Blut")

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Post by 4thskorpion » 28 Aug 2015, 08:32

From your post above:
(3) The intercourse between other foreign workers employed in the Reich and the manpower from the original Soviet Russian territory also brings great dangers to be dealt with by the security police; therefore, it should also be fought with measures against the foreign workers. As a rule, the transfer into a correction camp (deportation for Italians) will be considered; this is also valid for cases of sexual intercourse.

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Re: Nazis definition of related blood ("artverwandtes Blut")

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Post by kuba kowalski » 28 Aug 2015, 21:10

What statement is that quote supposed to prove?

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