Were the Nazis tortured into confessing at the Nuremberg Trials?

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Re: Were the Nazis tortured into confessing at the Nuremberg Trials?

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 10 Jun 2016, 05:35

Alright I dug around and found some possibly large bombs about this topic , The "London Cage" as the facility remained open till 1948, Alexander Scotland and"The London Cage". As to if any Nuremberg evidence or Nuremberg prisoners were tortured there or how much/many , I do not know. Please note , when Nuremberg Trials are mentioned , it is just not of prosecution of major war criminals(20), it also is taken to include the 100's of other subsequent trials of a similar nature of lower ranking German military and civilians. such as the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsequen ... erg_trials which mentions-
"I once saw DPs beat an SS man and then strap him to the steel gurney of a crematorium. They slid him in the oven, turned on the heat and took him back out. Beat him again, and put him back in until he was burnt alive. I did nothing to stop it. I suppose I could have brandished my weapon or shot in the air, but I was not inclined to do so. Does that make me an accomplice to murder?"[3]
"You know how I got witness statements? I'd go into a village where, say, an American pilot had parachuted and been beaten to death and line everyone up against the wall. Then I'd say, 'Anyone who lies will be shot on the spot.' It never occurred to me that statements taken under duress would be invalid."[3]




and basically every post WWII war-crimes trial conducted in Europe. such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdanek_trials

However back to the top-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Cage
Alexander Alexander Scotland wrote a postwar memoir entitled London Cage, which was submitted to the War Office in 1950 for purposes of censorship. Scotland was asked to abandon the book, and threatened with a prosecution under the Official Secrets Act, and officers from Special Branch raided his home. The Foreign Office insisted that the book be suppressed altogether as it would help persons “agitating on behalf of war criminals”. An assessment of the manuscript by MI5 listed how Scotland had detailed repeated breaches of the Geneva Convention (1929), including prisoners being forced to kneel while being beaten about the head, forced to stand to attention for up to 26 hours, and threatened with execution and ‘an unnecessary operation’. The book was eventually published in 1957 after a seven-year delay, and after all incriminating material had been redacted. In London Cage, Scotland vigorously denied that violence was used against prisoners, and that confessions were obtained by seizing upon discrepancies in the accounts of prisoners.
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Re: Were the Nazis tortured into confessing at the Nuremberg Trials?

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Post by ChristopherPerrien » 10 Jun 2016, 06:15

Some info on possible torture of German war-criminals by the Soviets. Or a starting point.

http://www.stiftung-bg.de/gums/en/gesch ... zial01.htm
In contrast to British, US and French camps, the vast majority of the prisoners held in the Russian camps were NSDAP functionaries, a review of an individual's guilt did not take place. From 1948 most of the prisoners had been sentenced by the Soviet military tribunal for acting against the Soviet occupying forces. Often the arrests occurred arbitrarily or after a denunciation and many prisoners confessed only after being tortured. German prisoners of war, recently released from allied P.O.W. camps, were held in Sachsenhausen special camp


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Post by Georg_S » 06 Jan 2017, 20:04

Both Pohl and Höss claimed that they had been tortured by the western allied. In the Case with Höss they also used some torture against his wife and one of his young sons, source - Hanns and Rudolf, Höss daughter Ingebritt, testemonies given at Nürnberg later on. According to a witness who traveled with Höss to Nürnberg Höss said - they forced to admitt that I had killed 2 million, rhey could have claimed 5 millions, I would have signed anything.

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Post by GoeringsPetLion » 07 Jan 2017, 00:08

It is said that Höss and Streicher were tortured. Well, Höss never claimed that he was tortured. But Streicher claimed that he was tortured.

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Georg_S -- You wrote:
Borh Pohl and Höss claimed that they had been totrured by the western allied. In the Case with Hlss they also used some torture against his wife and one of his young sons, source - Hanns and Rudolf, Höss daughter Ingebritt, testemonies given at Nürnberg later on.
Where can our interested readers see these claims for themselves?

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Post by Georg_S » 07 Jan 2017, 12:40

If you search google you will find the Interview with Birgitte Höss made a couple of years ago. With Höss there are several sources the book Hannes und Rudolf, interegation with Höss in Nürnberg and the Institute für Zeitgeschichte in München and the last source is the revisionist Robert Furision

One more thing if you search photos of Höss on google you will find photos of him with British officers (in my opinion) screaming at him, he looks very scared and he also has nosebleed.

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With Pohl the foremost source is his interogation in Nürnberg, as an example he claimed that they had beaten him so much that he also had lost some or one teeth.
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Post by Sheldrake » 07 Jan 2017, 16:41

IHR is a website promoting the nazi view of history. It is fill of adverts for books that could have been spoofs for the Producers "the young Hitler I knew!" "Hitler beyond good and evil" to name two as well as books by David Irving, discredited for faking source material and the memoirs of SS men such as Leon Dagrelle.

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George_S -- In response to my question about sources for the claimed torture of Osvald Pohl and Rudolf Hoess, you answered:
If you search google you will find the Interview with Birgitte Höss made a couple of years ago. With Höss there are several sources the book Hannes und Rudolf, interegation with Höss in Nürnberg and the Institute für Zeitgeschichte in München and the last source is the revisionist Robert Furision

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With Pohl the foremost source is his interogation in Nürnberg, as an example he claimed that they had beaten him so much that he also had lost some or one teeth.
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Post by Georg_S » 07 Jan 2017, 19:41

Ok David so if i give a book as source do you want me to scan the pages? I thought that book was well known. When I write this on my phone its pretty difficult to ad sources links etc that's why I tried to explain how you find the info that I have stated.
I'm beginning to understand, but still surpriced, that they aren' t many new subjects to discuss in this forum after a few years abcense.

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Post by Georg_S » 07 Jan 2017, 19:58

Ingebritt Höss interview -http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -boss.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

http://www.ifz-muenchen.de/ go to Archive and there " datenbank" in the sesrchbox write Höss you will there find
His testimony in Nürnberg

One more source is fold3.com

Is that enough for fullfilling the "rules" or should I send copies of what I have paid for too the forum?

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Post by Michael Kenny » 07 Jan 2017, 20:19

Poor daddy seems to have been tortured and threatened by both sides.

From the link:

She also tells Harding that her father was 'sad inside.'
She maintains that he was forced to do a lot of things and didn't have a choice.
'He had to do it. His family was threatened. We were threatened if he didn’t. And he was one of many in the SS. There were others as well who would do it if he didn’t.'
Brigitte doesn't deny the atrocities at Auschwitz and other camps took place, but she questions the numbers that were killed.
'How can there be so many survivors if so many had been killed?' she asks.
When it is pointed out that her father confessed to being responsible for the death of more than a million Jews, she says the British 'took it out of him with torture.'



Does that make his own side as bad as the evil torturing British?

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Post by Georg_S » 07 Jan 2017, 20:39

http://www.smh.com.au/world/secret-life ... 2tjmy.html

Kenny I think its just human too think good about their parents exactly like parents protect their kids. In the last link she tell the complete story how the british beated her brother so much that Hedwig (Höss wife) revieled where he was hiding.

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Post by Michael Kenny » 07 Jan 2017, 20:49

Georg_S wrote:http://www.smh.com.au/world/secret-life ... 2tjmy.html

Kenny I think its just human too think good about their parents exactly like parents protect their kids. In the last link she tell the complete story how the british beated her brother so much that Hedwig (Höss wife) revieled where he was hiding.

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Post by Georg_S » 07 Jan 2017, 21:07

Yes most ppl say that they would do that and that to Höss and others, but what I know the allied highcommand and leaders had agreed that they would bring all the warcriminals to justice. Just to avoid a new "versailles treaty" which Hitler had used for his benefit.
Even if the Russians had another opinion in this matter.

But the more I think about it and the more and more I read about the officers in the KL system I cant feel so much against them as. Höss in my opinion he was a so called"schreibtischtäter" there was others who did the dirty things. There are different levels in hell.

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