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Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Caldric on 08 May 2010 07:47

I have heard and watched US Marine's from WWII describe something during the war he witnessed and he confessed or just stated as plain as the wood is wood.

"I was sitting on the road and I seen this stretcher come by and on it laid a young Marine and he was cut to pieces and desecrated obviously after his death, from that time on I never took a prisoner we would interrogate the Japanese and shoot them in the head afterwards there was no quarter asked nor given."

Be careful of the warfare you wish to wage because it may come back to you ten fold. If it were an eye for an eye there would be no Germans today. Simple fact

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Caldric on 08 May 2010 08:10

The numbers numb the mind and you think it can't be real it must be fake!


Then there it is for the whole world to see

http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/jagerimages.html

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Caldric on 08 May 2010 08:12

Suppose I am an apologist for Allies. I don't lose any sleep over it either.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Sergey Romanov on 08 May 2010 12:51

Being an apologist for the Allies is one thing. Being an apologist for war crimes is another.

Just sayin'.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Nieuwenhagen on 22 Sep 2010 20:05

I have a lot of contact with 17th Airborne vets. They fought fa. at Flamierge (near Bastogne) in the cold days in december 1944-jan. 1945.

I've spoken with a lot of vets and they all told me that they didn't take any prisoners. No time, no place, no food, not enough men and time....So take the to the rear and shoot them..

That's war.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Incognito on 24 Sep 2010 01:33

Despicable acts were committed by all sides in "The Good War" Churchill even vigorously complain concerning Ariel bombings, whoever German Cities as civilian lay helpless as allied bombers Fire Bombed then into oblivion hell inferno.

Nagasaki As Hiroshima are considered a War Crime of immense proportion, as the horrific civilian casualties, payed for decades.

Many War Crimes where committed by the US, whoever the full extent one will never know. As the track record of the US as all countries in the World, rather hide and forget their dirty little secrets.

US War Crimes against the Japanese people during as post war. American mutilation of Japanese war dead

Some Allied soldiers collected Japanese body parts. The incidence of this by American personnel occurred on "a scale large enough to concern the Allied military authorities throughout the conflict and was widely reported and commented on in the American and Japanese wartime press."

The collection of Japanese body parts began quite early in the war, prompting a September 1942 order for disciplinary action against such souvenir taking. Harrison concludes that, since this was the first real opportunity to take such items (the Battle of Guadalcanal), "clearly, the collection of body parts on a scale large enough to concern the military authorities had started as soon as the first living or dead Japanese bodies were encountered."

When Japanese remains were repatriated from the Mariana Islands after the war, roughly 60 percent were missing their skulls. In a memorandum dated June 13, 1944, the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General (JAG) asserted that "such atrocious and brutal policies," in addition to being repugnant, were violations of the laws of war, and recommended the distribution to all commanders of a directive pointing out that "the maltreatment of enemy war dead was a blatant violation of the 1929 Geneva Convention on the sick and wounded, which provided that: After every engagement, the belligerent who remains in possession of the field shall take measures to search for wounded and the dead and to protect them from robbery and ill treatment."

These practises were in addition also in violation of the unwritten customary rules of land warfare and could lead to the death penalty. The U.S. Navy JAG mirrored that opinion one week later, and also added that "the atrocious conduct of which some US personnel were guilty could lead to retaliation by the Japanese which would be justified under international law".

Source:

Simon Harrison “Skull Trophies of the Pacific War: transgressive objects of remembrance” Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute (N.S) 12, 817–836 (2006) p.828

James J. Weingartner "Trophies of War: U.S. Troops and the Mutilation of Japanese War Dead, 1941–1945" Pacific Historical Review (1992) p.59


Rape By US Soldiers:

Main articles: Rape during the occupation of Japan and War rape

It has been claimed that some U.S. soldiers raped Okinawan women during the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.[1]
Okinawan historian Oshiro Masayasu (former director of the Okinawa Prefectural Historical Archives) writes based on several years of research:

Soon after the U.S. Marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the Marines "mopped up" the entire village, but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started "hunting for women" in broad daylight and those who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another.[2] However, Japanese civilians "were often surprised at the comparatively humane treatment they received from the American enemy."[3][4] According to Islands of Discontent: Okinawan Responses to Japanese and American Power by Mark Selden, the Americans "did not pursue a policy of torture, rape, and murder of civilians as Japanese military officials had warned."[5]
There were also 1,336 reported rapes during the first 10 days of the occupation of Kanagawa prefecture after the Japanese surrender.[6]

Source;

1.^ International Review of the Red Cross no 323, p.347–363 The Law of Air Warfare (1998)

2.^ John Bolton The Risks and Weaknesses of the International Criminal Court from America's Perspective, (page 4) Law and Contemporary Problems January 2001, while he was Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security,

3.6^ Schrijvers, Peter (2002). The GI War Against Japan. New York City: New York University Press. p. 212. ISBN 0814798160.

4.^ Tanaka, Toshiyuki. Japan's Comfort Women: Sexual Slavery and Prostitution During World War II, Routledge, 2003, p.111. ISBN 0203302753

5.^ Molasky, Michael S. (1999). The American Occupation of Japan and Okinawa: Literature and Memory. p. 16. ISBN 9780415191944. http://books.google.com/?id=RMDt86cokDUC&pg=PA16.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby David Thompson on 24 Sep 2010 02:33

Incognito -- This research thread is about allied units involved in war crimes, not war crimes generally. If you want to discuss a war crime, choose a specific one so that the discussion has some focus, check the search engine for pre-existing threads, and post to a pre-existing thread or if there aren't any, start a new thread. For allied war crimes and alleged war crimes, there is an index to some of our discussions at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53295

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby brick2 on 21 Jan 2011 09:42

On 13th May 1940 Squadron Leader Halahan witnessed the 4 crew of a force landed Heinkel 111 being beheaded by French Senegalese soldiers,in Belgium.
source; Paul Richey's book Fighter Pilot.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby David Thompson on 25 Jan 2011 03:46

Two posts -- one from murx and another from Panzermahn -- which did not deal with specific allied units were removed by the moderator as off-topic, pursuant to the thread warning at viewtopic.php?p=1510461#p1510461. Please restrict posts in this and similar reference sticky sections to those which deal with identifiable units.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby murx on 25 Jan 2011 04:34

That link leads to nowhere.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby David Thompson on 25 Jan 2011 13:48

murx -- You remarked:
That link leads to nowhere.

Only if you don't read. Count up three posts from yours. There you (and everyone else) can see this thread warning:

Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes
by David Thompson on Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:33 am

Incognito -- This research thread is about allied units involved in war crimes, not war crimes generally. If you want to discuss a war crime, choose a specific one so that the discussion has some focus, check the search engine for pre-existing threads, and post to a pre-existing thread or if there aren't any, start a new thread. For allied war crimes and alleged war crimes, there is an index to some of our discussions at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53295


See also the five earlier thread warnings at:

viewtopic.php?p=226977#p226977
viewtopic.php?p=421836#p421836
viewtopic.php?p=1005261#p1005261
viewtopic.php?p=1232339#p1232339
viewtopic.php?p=1282255#p1282255

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Tom Nutter on 28 Mar 2011 00:22

David Thompson, these two may not be appropriate for this thread, since in neither case can an Allied unit be identified. If they do not meet the criteria for this thread, please feel free to move them or strike them altogether as you deem appropriate.

A. From Kurt Mehner, Die Geheimen Tagesberichte der Deutschen Wehrmachtfuehrung im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939-1945 (Osnabrueck, Germany, Biblio Verlag, 1995), V.1.1, 27 Zwischenmeldung der Heeresgruppe Sued, September 10, 1939:

Das VII.A.K. hat gemeldet: „In den Waldstuecken suedostw. Pilica wurden beim Absuchen des Gefechtsfeldes 10 deutsche Verwundete (kennlich an vor Aerzten angebrachten Notverbaenden) mit eingetruemmerten Schaedeldecken und z.T. ausgestorchen Augen aufgefunden.“ My translation: VII.Armeekorps reports that in the forest area southwest of Pilica by a search of the battlefield 10 German wounded were found (identified by a doctor by their field dressings) with their skulls fractured and their eyes struck out.

B. Mehner, Die Geheimen Tagesberichte, V.6, Tunisien, January 8, 1943:
„Fendl. Luftwaffe bombardierte Kairouan und erzielte Volltreffer auf dtsch. Hauptverbandsplatz, der durch grosses Rotes Kreuz kenntlich war. Verluste stehen noch nicht fest.“ My translation: Enemy airforce bombed Kairouan and scored a direct hit on the main German dressing station in the area, which was clearly marked with a large Red Cross. Losses not yet determined.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby David Thompson on 28 Mar 2011 02:53

Thanks, Tom. I'll leave the post here to see if the allied units can be identified by other posters.

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Andy H on 18 Apr 2011 17:07

Tom quoted
Enemy airforce bombed Kairouan and scored a direct hit on the main German dressing station in the area, which was clearly marked with a large Red Cross. Losses not yet determined.


This is from The Mediterranean and Middle East Vol IV by ISO Playfair

Pg277

Between Dec 27th and Jan 17th 1943 the total effort of the 'Torch' airforces was only moderate....The British fighters flew on average 136 sorties a day.....Attacks on ground targets were few because only 2 fighter bombers squadrons were available. The American fighters and day-bombers between them flew on average some 90 sorties a day. Marauders, Bostons and Mitchells took part in a widely disperesed series of attacks which included airfields at Tunis and Gabes, the ports at Sousse and Gabes, and the railway track and junctions and other targets among which Kairouan was prominent


and on Pg 292
(On Feb 16th) The American fighters concentrated on patrolling and straffing in the Sidi Bou Zid area, while some Mitchells and Marauders made two attacks on the busy German airfield at Kairouan


Without any further specific information its rather hard to portion intent upon the Allied aircrew in targeting the dressing station and also just how large is large when you could be bombing from X thousand feet up?

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Re: Allied units Implicated in War Crimes

Postby Andy H on 19 Apr 2011 14:46

Tom quoted
Enemy airforce bombed Kairouan and scored a direct hit on the main German dressing station in the area, which was clearly marked with a large Red Cross. Losses not yet determined.


This is from The Mediterranean and Middle East Vol IV by ISO Playfair

Pg277

Between Dec 27th and Jan 17th 1943 the total effort of the 'Torch' airforces was only moderate....The British fighters flew on average 136 sorties a day.....Attacks on ground targets were few because only 2 fighter bombers squadrons were available. The American fighters and day-bombers between them flew on average some 90 sorties a day. Marauders, Bostons and Mitchells took part in a widely disperesed series of attacks which included airfields at Tunis and Gabes, the ports at Sousse and Gabes, and the railway track and junctions and other targets among which Kairouan was prominent


and on Pg 292
(On Feb 16th) The American fighters concentrated on patrolling and straffing in the Sidi Bou Zid area, while some Mitchells and Marauders made two attacks on the busy German airfield at Kairouan


Without any further specific information its rather hard to portion intent upon the Allied aircrew in targeting the dressing station and also just how large is large when you could be bombing from X thousand feet up?

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