Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Peter » 12 Apr 2015, 16:59

fredric wrote:Agree. Blazek, Evans and others have published much information about Groppler but no photos. Illustrations of him have been published including
one a caricature by George Grosz. With the exception of Reichhart, photos of sharfrichters are hard to locate. Blazek did contact a Groppler family
member but no mention of photos which is surprising. Groppler did not hide his part-time role as an executioner in addition to his business. Neither
did Rottger and others.

I am surprised that a service record of some sort has not been discovered, I bet that the Reich Justice Ministry maintained some sort of file with appointment dates, etc. Most of these type of files contained mug-shots. Was he an NSDAP member ? Some of the NSDAP membership cards at NARA and BDC had mug-shots attached.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by fredric » 13 Apr 2015, 00:57

Her Groppler, was NOT aN NSDA member.
Only two appointed Scharfrichers were Pary members.
Of course he RMJ files must have records with identity cards. Who can help?????
I have photos of Riichhart, Weiss, Bodt, Hehr.
Where are the others..this is so frustrating
Gropppler must have been photographed
A photo of Groppler has to be hidden at Halle.
Rottger must have beenphotograhed bhy the Allies after capture.
Others too.

This is all too frustrating. Anyone able to help??



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Execution invoice for Max Josef Metzger

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Post by Pete26 » 15 Apr 2015, 04:31

Execution invoice sent to the relatives of Max Josef Metzger following his execution by beheading in Brandenburg-Gorden prison.

See page 366 for more info on Max Josef Metzger. Also, additional information can be found here:

http://www.rsmeitingen.org/schule/dr-max-josef-metzger/

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Re: 31 death masks

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Post by Pete26 » 17 Apr 2015, 04:46

Helmut0815 wrote: The head of Fritz Haarman was cremated after almost 90 years in march 2014 and the ashes have been buried anonymously on the Junkerberg cemetery in Göttingen.

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I found this article on the subject:

http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersac ... nn128.html

Translated:
After nearly 90 years, the Göttingen University Medical Center has cremated the head of the mass murderer Fritz Haarmann unnoticed by the public. "We have the urn with his ashes interred in the previous March at the box unmarked graves of Göttingen cemetery," said Stefan Weller, spokesman for the University Hospital. In the past, there have been calls again and again, burying his head humanely. After consultation with the Protestant Church and the vain search for relatives university then decided to burn the head. Between the years 1918 and 1924, the native of Hanover, who worked as a spy for the police, killing at least 24 boys and young men. These lured his victims into his Haarmann floor apartment in Old Town of Hanover, abused and killed them.

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Jonny Dettmer

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Post by Pete26 » 17 Apr 2015, 04:52

Jonny Dettmer was beheaded by Karl Gropler with an axe in the prison yard of Hamburg Hostenglacis prison at 6:10 AM on 19 May 1934. Karl Gropler beheaded three other men on the same morning: Alfred Wehrenberg, Hermann Fischer, and Arthur Schmidt. The men were beheaded at intervals of about 5 minutes each. Compared to multiple guillotine executions, this 5 minute interval between successive executions is about twice as long.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by rafalx » 17 Apr 2015, 13:00

Execution of Benita von Falkenhayn.
Part of Sensacions of XX century. Blood, love, treason.


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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 18 Apr 2015, 05:08

See the description of the execution on page 286.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 19 Apr 2015, 09:02

Description of the execution in Rockhampton Morning Bulletin. Note the mention of 12 witnesses to the execution.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/printAr ... /3?print=n


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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by von thoma » 19 Apr 2015, 15:12

rafalx wrote:Execution of Benita von Falkenhayn.
Part of Sensacions of XX century. Blood, love, treason.
But the execution of Benita von Falkenhayn took place in the prison yard, not in a execution room.
Am I wrong ?
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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by fredric » 19 Apr 2015, 17:42

You are correct. Hof 4 was the location. Scaffold, etc. as I described in a prior post.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by Pete26 » 20 Apr 2015, 01:49

von thoma wrote:
rafalx wrote:Execution of Benita von Falkenhayn.
Part of Sensacions of XX century. Blood, love, treason.
But the execution of Benita von Falkenhayn took place in the prison yard, not in a execution room.
Am I wrong ?
If you watch the clip closely, you will see that this is not an execution room but an open area surrounded with high walls. There is no roof over the area. It seems they shot this scene in an actual prison exercise yard somewhere.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by rafalx » 20 Apr 2015, 22:43

fredric wrote:...
The executions were carried out outdoors in Hof 4, Plotzensee, a courtyard. Hof 4 was located slightly above the building we associate today with Plotzensee executions.
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Could you give me the source of this information?

If my selection (red) is good, where was executions of Benita von Falkenhayn and Renate von Natzmer?

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Post by fredric » 21 Apr 2015, 06:52

I believe the 1935 Time Magazine report of the executions refers to Hof 4. Initially I thought "Hof 4" was a fabrication by a reporter but we can see its
location on the early drawing of the Plotzensee layout. I have read other references to "Hof 4" as the site of axe beheadings prior to the
installation of the fallbeil in the "lagerschuppen" building...the "execution building" as we today call it. It was a fairly good sized storage area as can be seen in the arial photo and the film footage shot at the first memorial ceremony. I would have to dig for those references however...and at the moment my focus is elsewhere...the Mannhardt fallbeil at Stadelheim.

I assume that Natzmer and Falkenhayn were held in Haus III, a short walk to the the execution area.

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