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Post by Sergey Romanov » 09 Oct 2004, 20:11

Surely Sergei Romanov will not deny that the Bolshevik regime established a complex of concentration camps in the White Sea area for its opponents, and that the acronym for that complex was SLON.
Which has nothing to do with Mills' imaginary "elephant camps". They were never called "slonovji lagerya". By Mills' logic acronym AIDS should be translated into Russian as "posobija" (as in "study aids") or "pomogaet" (as in "he aids"), and Russian acronym for a certain geological institute VSEGEI must be translated into English as "everybody is gay". (Well, maybe Mills is gay, but then he shouldn't project.)
And, as I already said, SLON was specifically Solovetskij camp.

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Post by xcalibur » 09 Oct 2004, 23:48

Sergey Romanov wrote:
Surely Sergei Romanov will not deny that the Bolshevik regime established a complex of concentration camps in the White Sea area for its opponents, and that the acronym for that complex was SLON.
Which has nothing to do with Mills' imaginary "elephant camps". They were never called "slonovji lagerya". By Mills' logic acronym AIDS should be translated into Russian as "posobija" (as in "study aids") or "pomogaet" (as in "he aids"), and Russian acronym for a certain geological institute VSEGEI must be translated into English as "everybody is gay". (Well, maybe Mills is gay, but then he shouldn't project.)
And, as I already said, SLON was specifically Solovetskij camp.
I think this argument has been had here before and this is about the point in the argument where Mills starts arguing over the Russian language with native speakers of it. :roll:


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Post by Sergey Romanov » 10 Oct 2004, 05:36

It's not even a matter of arguing with a native speaker. In English AIDS is not the same as "aids", and someone explaining that AIDS hospital is called so because "they aid people there" is in the same position as Mills.

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Post by michael mills » 11 Oct 2004, 02:42

I have now obtained a full copy of the relevant parts of Heydrich's speech of 4 February 1942, given in the "German Hall" in Prague.

It is in the book "Lesson From History: Documents Concerning Nazi Policies for Germanisation and Extermination in Czechoslovakia", complied by Dr Vaclav Kral and Dr Karel Fremund, Orbis, Prague, 1962, Document No. 22, pp. 135-138.

An Editorial Note states:
The documents have been translated from originals deposited in the Central State Archives in Prague. Most of them are in unabridged form. The style of the original German documents has been retained as afr as possible in translation, including in some cases ambiguous passages and stylistic shortcomings.
I will quote from the relvant part of the Document 22, which concerns plans for germanising the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.

Heydrich states that the "inner purpose" of the German Government is not to germanise the whole Czech people, but only those who are "fit" for germanisation, in his opinion 40-60% of the Czech population. They are to be identified by means of a national registration.

Heydrich states that by means of the national registration, it will be possible within one year to sift out the third unfit for germanisation, another third superficially deemed fit for germanisation, and a remaining third identified for further investigation.

He then says:
.......we have considered a later evacuation of those who cannot be germanised, possibly by establishing a labour corps the members of which will enjoy the advantage of having their families follow them, etc., so that today, proceeding in this manner, we can act as if we wanted to incorporate the entire space en bloc into the Reich. This on the whole I should like to lay down here as our secret and overt aim.

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It is primarily also in the political interest of the Reich to introduce compulsory labour service....After the Czech government has been obliged to introduce it, we shall be justified in saying: As you Czechs do not participate in the liberation struggle of the Reich, except through working in the armaments factories, just as the Germans in the Homeland, the Reich, do, it is only right and proper that you should call up a number of age groups for compulsory labour service, as no compulsory military service for Czechs exists. These will, as far as possible, be educated in the Reich under the leadership of outstanding, selected labour service leaders in an entirely different type of uniform, they will be divided into those that can be germanised and those that cannot, trained in different camps for a worker's profession and a trade. After spending two years in the camp they must qualify as journeymen or something else. For those that can be germanised work will be found in the Reich so that they would never come back. Those that cannot be germanised as yet will perhaps be sent as additional parts of the Arctic Ocean region are opened up - to areas where the concentration camps will be the ideal future homeland of the 11 million Jews from Europe. Perhaps we could use those Czechs who cannot be germanised, under the good augury of a pro-German task, as supervisors or foremen, etc., by giving them the chance to let their families follow them. This region, by the way, is not so desolate as the Arctic Ocean region is always considered to be. It just has a very long winter, but a markedly intensive and fine agriculture and an outstanding raw material basis. On the basis of the knowledge which we have obtained through our security-political operational groups in the East, we have arrived at amazing results. It is not true that these regions are fully dependent on the Ukraine in agriculture, for instance, but that on the contrary they have of alte been nearly self-supporting in food. We have quite terrific raw material bases. These are things which are still not entirely clear, but are essential and can be considered. Becaue we must not chase the Czech whom I consider fit for germanisation to the East as an enemy, but must use him in what is a good augury for the Reich, so that in the East, in the East which is not colonised by us (the proper region of colonisation will be settled by Germans), he will stand as a European advance guard. But these problems will still be discussed and clarified. The first is compulsory labour service. We shall consider whether half a year of the labour service term should not be served in camps in the Protectorate so as to free the Czech population from the thought of a forced deportation of its youth for labour service in the Reich. But also conversely. I am convinced that this youth which can be germanised and which alone we have in mind, will have received such an education after one to one and a half years that if it is brought here it can exert a positive influence later. These problems require to be thoroughly checked, they are problems which I should like merely to touch on.
Heydrich goes on to discuss plans for the future education of Czech youth, which involve less formal education in schools and more physical training and sports, a concept that reflects Heydrich's own preferences and anti-intellectual outlook (and probably the preferecnes of the vast majority of the world population of today).

Of interest to us is Heydrich's throw-away line about the concentration camps in the Arctic Ocean region forming the future homeland of the 11 million Jews of Europe.

The camps he refers to are the labour camps established in the far north of European Russia by the Bolshevik regime from 1918 onward. That complex of camps was officially designated SLON (Severnye Lageria Osobogo Naznacheniia = Northern Camps of Special Designation) by the Bolshevik regime; the word "slon" means "elephant" in Russian.

Heydrich's words show that the German Government was planning to imprison the Jews of Europe in the concentration camps originally set up by the Russian Bolshevik regime to imprison its opponents. In the eyes of the German Government, that constituted poetic justice, since according to National Socialist ideology the early Bolshevik regime constituted a Jewish tyranny over the Slavic peoples of Russia, and the persons sent to those camps in the 1920s were victims of that alleged Jewish tyranny.

It is noteworthy that Heydrich's speech was made only two weeks after the Wannsee Conference. It was a secret speech, made to a select audience of German officials, and Heydrich's own words show that what was being discussed was German Government policy that was to be kept hidden from the public; accordingly there is no reason to believe that Heydrich was using camouflaged language or codewords.

Therefore, it must be accepted that there was a genuine German Government plan to deport European Jews to camps in the Russian North, in the White Sea area. And since Heydrich's words were uttered only two weeks after the Wannsee Conference, they are further confirmation that what he revealed to the assembled State Secretaries of German Ministries at that conference was a plan to deport the Jews of Europe into the occupied Soviet Union, not a plan to kill them in extermination camps.

The figure of 11 million European Jews reflects the influence of the recent Wannsee Conference; that figure was the total European population of Europe and the Soviet Union according to the minutes of that meeting (in fact it is an exaggeration of at least two million).

However, that total was not the actual figure proposed for deportation to the White Sea region. It includes the estimated five million Jews of the Soviet Union, who did not need to be deported since they were alrerady in the East. In fact, the bulk of the Soviet Jewish population had already been evacuated by the Soviet Government to Central Asia, and the German Government was quite content to leave them there. Those that had fallen into German hands had been greatly decimated.

Eichmann's own planning notes show that he estimated the number of European Jews (ie those living west of the 1941 border of the Soviet Union) scheduled for deportation into the occupied Soviet territories totalled 5.8 million, itself a grossly exaggerated figure.

The fact that it was proposed to use the Czechs sent for labour service in the North Russian region as supervisors or foremen for the Jews imprisoned in the concentration camps in the region demonstrates that the Jews were to be used as a slave labour force there, ie the same fate as the early Boshevik rulers of Russia, considered by National Socialists (and many other conservative Europeans, including Churchill in 1920) to be Jewish) to be Jewish, had imposed on their enemies.

The "security-political operational groups in the East" referred to by Heydrich, the units that had gained the economic information used by him, were of course the famous Einsatzgruppen. And Heydrich's words show what one of the two major tasks of the Einsatzgruppen was; to collect intelligence to assist German domination and administarion of the conquered territories. (The second major task was to identify and eliminate defined groups that were the main support of the Communist system).

Document 17 in the same book, dated 30 November 1940, shows how Czechs capable of Germanisation were identified (p. 105):
Racially valuable are those inhabitants of the Protectorate with whom or with whose kinsfolk Slavonic racial characterisitcs do not predominate. In this connection it may be assumed in principle that as a consequnece of the historic penetration of this area with German blood those racially valuable elements are capable of a genuine national mutation as soon as they have become inwardly prepared to accept it. In this connection it should be noted that Slavonic racial characteristics, apart from Mongol types, are, for instance, a disorderly, careless family life with a complete lack of feeling for order, personal and domestic cleanliness, lack of any ambition to advance oneself [my emphasis].

It is obvious that the German authorities identified the Czechs to be rejected for germanisation not on the basis of physical characteristics such as head-shape or hair colour, but on the basis of personal character. The persons identified thereby as unsuitable for germanisation would be considered undesirable by any government of our own time.

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Post by David Thompson » 11 Oct 2004, 05:15

Readers interested in the Germanization plan for Bohemia and Moravia may find this link helpful:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=61467

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Post by Fugazi » 11 Oct 2004, 07:59

It is obvious that the German authorities identified the Czechs to be rejected for germanisation not on the basis of physical characteristics such as head-shape or hair colour, but on the basis of personal character. The persons identified thereby as unsuitable for germanisation would be considered undesirable by any government of our own time.
Mr Mills, from your quote it isn't clear who wrote this paragraph - you've recorded the quote as referring to a document from 1940, but presumably the paragraph above was written by the authors of the book, in 1962, not part of the original 1940 document. Do I have this right?

I just wanted to be sure, because I'm surprised that the authors of the book would be so sanguine about it, given that Heydrich was talking about at least a third of the Czech population consisting of people who'd be considered undesirable by any government. A little nationalist outrage would have been excusable under the circumstances!
...more physical training and sports, a concept that reflects Heydrich's own preferences and anti-intellectual outlook (and probably the preferecnes of the vast majority of the world population of today).
The vast majority of Aussies, anyway! Just kidding...

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Post by Earldor » 11 Oct 2004, 14:25

michael mills wrote: I have now obtained a full copy of the relevant parts of Heydrich's speech of 4 February 1942, given in the "German Hall" in Prague.
First of all, good on ya, as you Australians say, for providing a quote in full and giving the references too.
It is noteworthy that Heydrich's speech was made only two weeks after the Wannsee Conference. It was a secret speech, made to a select audience of German officials, and Heydrich's own words show that what was being discussed was German Government policy that was to be kept hidden from the public; accordingly there is no reason to believe that Heydrich was using camouflaged language or codewords.

Therefore, it must be accepted that there was a genuine German Government plan to deport European Jews to camps in the Russian North, in the White Sea area.
This interpretation is not plausible, even if the audience consisted of high ranking Nazis. Heydrich kept the issue of the Final Solution, i.e. at this stage the outright killing of all Jews a secret that was not shared unless the officials in question were directly or indirectly involved in the process. The speech may reflect a previous plan that, by now, was deemed obsolete but which provided camouflage for the more sinister plans.

Pray tell, what was the trigger that led to the wholesale murder of the Jews instead of their deportation?
And since Heydrich's words were uttered only two weeks after the Wannsee Conference, they are further confirmation that what he revealed to the assembled State Secretaries of German Ministries at that conference was a plan to deport the Jews of Europe into the occupied Soviet Union, not a plan to kill them in extermination camps.
You, again, obtusely refuse to look at what was happening "in the field" at the same time.

  • The EGs had been running rampant in the East since the summer of 1941, escalating their murderous efforts towards the end of that year. Hundreds of thousands of Jews, men, women and children, had been murdered indiscriminately in a space of six months.

    Chelmno had been constructed in the Autumn of 1941 and had started operating at the beginning of December 1941.

    The construction of Belzec had begun at about the same time as Chelmno and was about to start operations.

    Sobibor was being constructed.

    The gas vans were in operation in the occupied SU and Serbia.

    The large scale gassings in Auschwitz began with the Slovakian Jews in April 1942.
IMHO, actions speak louder than words.

I find it curious that mr Mills persists in his delusions about the White Sea even though they have been countered oh so many times in this forum. He still expects us to swallow his contention based on a single speech while ignoring the reality of things in "the East."
The "security-political operational groups in the East" referred to by Heydrich, the units that had gained the economic information used by him, were of course the famous Einsatzgruppen. And Heydrich's words show what one of the two major tasks of the Einsatzgruppen was; to collect intelligence to assist German domination and administarion of the conquered territories. (The second major task was to identify and eliminate defined groups that were the main support of the Communist system).
I find mr. Mills' efforts to whitewash EGs distasteful. I'm not convinced that the passage in the speech referring to the "security-political operational groups" say anything about the primary or even secondary tasks of the EGs. It is clear that the EGs were in the business of "fighting against the enemies of the state", i.e. killing them and gathering intelligence, but the latter did not take precedence over the former, nor did it diminish their capacity to conduct the killing operations .

The EGs were intimately, deeply and centrally involved in the organization of the mass shooting of Jews and they conducted a considerable amount of them. This is clear from the EG reports and evidence provided by perpetrators, victims and bystanders.

Maybe mr. Mills can put his contention about the EGs into plainer English, so as all of his readers can appreciate his view.

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Post by Topspeed » 11 Oct 2004, 16:49

michael mills wrote: Those that cannot be germanised as yet will perhaps be sent as additional parts of the Arctic Ocean region are opened up - to areas where the concentration camps will be the ideal future homeland of the 11 million Jews from Europe. Perhaps we could use those Czechs who cannot be germanised, under the good augury of a pro-German task, as supervisors or foremen, etc., by giving them the chance to let their families follow them. This region, by the way, is not so desolate as the Arctic Ocean region is always considered to be. It just has a very long winter, but a markedly intensive and fine agriculture and an outstanding raw material basis.
Hello mr.Mills,

One detail about Adolf Hitler visit to Finland might be useful at this stage !

When on June 4th 1942 Adolf Hitler visited Marschal Mannerheim on his 75th birthday and Mannerheim asked if he could get his two Battallions back that were to aid the unexperinced Nord fighters in a war in Lappland ( to direction White Sea area ). Hitler was amazed and asked what is this all about from Wilhelm Keitel and Keitel said finns are there because two of our divisions that were supposed to be sent to Lappland are now engaged in siege/battle over Leningrad. This is known through the radio program that is enclosed in the topic " Hitler visit to Immola ", where they first time discussed about the personal notes of the president Risto Ryti and the secret tapes of Thor Damen ( latter is no new info ). Mannerheim got instantly a promise that he'll get his battallions back. Those battallions were under General Siilasvuo command, who later in 1944 commanded the finnish troops in a Laplands War against Wehrmacht / Waffen-SS in Lappland.

rgds,

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Post by David Thompson » 11 Oct 2004, 18:46

Topspeed -- Source or sources, please, and try to get into the habit of providing them with your posts.

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Post by Topspeed » 11 Oct 2004, 23:01

David Thompson wrote:Topspeed -- Source or sources, please, and try to get into the habit of providing them with your posts.
I did mention it: Topic Hitler visit to Immola AFB ( at Axis Nations )

Here the second comment on page two: a radio program of 29 minutes in finnish.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... c&start=15

It tells it.

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Post by David Thompson » 11 Oct 2004, 23:08

Thanks, Topspeed.

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 11 Oct 2004, 23:54

> That complex of camps was officially designated SLON (Severnye Lageria Osobogo Naznacheniia = Northern Camps of Special Designation)

That Mikey chooses to repeat disinformation after being corrected several times shows much about him.

> Therefore, it must be accepted that there was a genuine German Government plan to deport European Jews to camps in the Russian North,

"It must be accepted"? On the basis of one dubious piece of evidence?
First of all, you have a problem: these camps didn't have space for 11 million Jews and their guards. So it is quite probable that it was an euphemism for killing of the Jews and ungermanisable Czechs (which would be only logical).
Then, Eichmann said that at Wannsee conference murder of the Jews was discussed. Unless you're going to make a fool of yourself by arguing that Eichmann was coerced, case is closed.

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Post by David Thompson » 12 Oct 2004, 04:57

WalterS -- Your personal remarks about Michael Mills are out of line. For that reason I have deleted your message. Your argument has merit, and if you would care to recast it and direct it against Mr. Mills' theory, step right up. However, we don't permit insulting ad hominem comments here. They degrade the writer's argument, undercut the quality of the discussion, and encourage others to imitate a bad example.

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Post by WalterS » 12 Oct 2004, 05:19

Okie dokey.

Once again, Mr. Mills regales us with his White Sea fantasy, plucking an obscure quote from a speech by Heydrich and extrapolating all sorts of things from it.

Mr. Mills constantly tells us that neither Hitler nor the Nazi leadership in general had a program of exterminating Europe’s Jews; all they wished to do was to deport them to Eastern Europe. Thus we have this:

Mr. Mills wrote
Therefore, it must be accepted that there was a genuine German Government plan to deport European Jews to camps in the Russian North, in the White Sea area. And since Heydrich's words were uttered only two weeks after the Wannsee Conference, they are further confirmation that what he revealed to the assembled State Secretaries of German Ministries at that conference was a plan to deport the Jews of Europe into the occupied Soviet Union, not a plan to kill them in extermination camps.
Of course, nothing of the kind should be accepted. Mr. Mills decisively lost this argument in a previous thread:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&start=15

Now he attempts to re-package his argument by claiming that because Heydrich gave a speech everything else falls into place. Of course, Mr. Mills ignores all of the other facts and statements that contradict him. Mr. Mills constantly harkens back to Wannsee. He desperately wants to explain away the real purpose of the Wannsee Conference. For Mr. Mills if there is no Wannsee, (i.e. no formalization of plans to exterminate the Jews in pursuit of the “Final Solution”) there is no plan. If there is no plan, Mr. Mills claims, there is no Holocaust, only haphazard ad hoc random “executive action.” Mr. Mills, therefore, must rehabilitate Heydrich and rearrange the facts concerning what Wannsee was all about.

Mr. Mills claims that the timing of Heydrich’s remarks, February 4, 1942 proves conclusively, to Mr. Mills anyway, that the German government did not have a plan to exterminate Jews. Mr. Mills likes to take isolated facts, distort them, and present them out of context.


Let’s remember what was going on at that time. The Wannsee Conference was held on 20 January 1942. The German offensive in Russia had been stalled before Moscow. German troops were nowhere near the White Sea area. So why would Heydrich summon mid and upper level bureaucrats including representatives from the Einsatzgruppen from all over the Reich to discuss a plan that couldn’t be implemented? The Einsatzgruppen, of course, were not employed in deportation, but were engaged in murder. By January, 1942, the Einsatzgruppen and their willing partners in Lithuania and elsewhere had murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews and others in areas of the Soviet Union conquered by the Nazis.

There is no mention in the Wannsee notes of any plan to deport Jews to camps on the White Sea. None. Zero.

We know from Eichmann that part of the discussion at Wannsee focused on various methods of mass murder and extermination. We also know that Eichmann and Heydrich edited and re-edited and “polished” the notes.

From Session 78 of Eichmann’s trial:
Accused: The record of proceedings correctly reflects the substance of the main points, but it is, of course, not a verbatim record, since - how shall I put it - certain over- plain talk and jargon expressions had to be rendered into office language by me, and Heydrich corrected the record three or four times, I believe, and it returned via the official channels through Mueller. It was redrafted according to his wishes, until the record of proceedings as it exists here was produced.
http://nizkor.com/hweb/people/e/eichman ... 78-05.html

So, while Heydrich was making these remarks that Mr. Mills cites, the notes from Wannsee were in the process of being cleaned up so as to remove direct references to murder and extermination. Thus it is not surprising that Heydrich refrained from spelling out the truth to his audience. It is more likely that he was covering his own ass.

In the above mentioned thread,

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&start=15

Mr. David Thompson posted a timeline of events that flowed as a result of Wannsee. During this period, Jan-Mar 1942, the German Army did not advance at all in northern Russia. They came not a mile closer to the White Sea area than they had been previously. Yet events moved swiftly regarding the implementation of the “Final Solution” as discussed at Wannsee.
January 30, 1942
In a speech at the Berlin Sports Palace, Adolf Hitler again predicted that the European war would end with the destruction of the Jews:
. . . [T]he war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews.
Now for the first time they will not bleed other people to death, but for the first time the old Jewish law of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, will be applied.
And -- world Jewry may as well know this -- the further these battles [of the war] spread, the more anti-Semitism will spread. It will find nourishment in every prison camp and in every family when it discovers the ultimate reason for the sacrifices it has to make. And the hour will come when the most evil universal enemy of all time will be finished, as least for a thousand years. (Gilbert Holo 285)

February 1, 1942
The SS-Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt (Economic-Administrative Main Office or WVHA), was created, under SS-Gruppenfuehrer Oswald Pohl.

February 3-4 1942
In a nighttime conversation with his intimates and staff, Adolf Hitler said:
"A Jew was discovered to whom it occurred that if one presented abstruse ideas to non-Jews, the more abstruse these ideas were, the more the non-Jews would rack their brains to try to understand them. The fact of having their attention fixed on what does not exist must make them blind to what exists. An excellent calculation on the Jew's part. So the Jew smacks his thighs to see how his diabolic strategem has succeeded. He bears in mind that if his victims suddenly became aware of these things, all Jews would be exterminated. But, this time, the Jews will disappear from Europe. The world will breathe freely and recover its sense of joy, when this weight is no longer crushing its shoulders." (Hitler's Secret Conversations 285)

February 22 1942
In an evening conversation with his intimates, staff and Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler, Adolf Hitler said:
"The discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that have taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! . . . We shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jew. Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance." (Hitler's Secret Conversations 320)

February 27 1942
In a mid-day conversation with his intimates and staff, Adolf Hitler said: "What is important above all is that we should prevent a greater lie from replacing the lie [Christianity] that is disappearing. The world of Judao-Bolshevism must collapse." (Hitler's Secret Conversations 331)

February 1942
The German Foreign Ministry, under the direction of Joachim von Ribbentrop, formally cancelled the "Madagascar Plan" for the resettlement of European Jews. (Furet 104)

March 16, 1942
The administration of concentration camps was placed under the SS Economic and Administrative Main Office (WVHA), headed by SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Oswald Pohl. SS-Brigadefuehrer Richard Gluecks was named Inspector-General of Concentration Camps, under Pohl's supervision. (Mollo IV; 12)

As can be seen here the Nazi Government moved swiftly after Wannsee to begin implementing the “Final Solution.” There is no mention in Hitler’s remarks, or in anyone’s remarks, of a plan to relocate Jews to the White Sea area.


In addition to peddling his White Sea fantasy Mr. Mills likes to peddle the image of the Einsatzgruppen as a benign group of “intelligence gatherers” who only took “executive action” against Bolsheviks and “bad apples.”

Mr. Mills wrote:
The "security-political operational groups in the East" referred to by Heydrich, the units that had gained the economic information used by him, were of course the famous Einsatzgruppen. And Heydrich's words show what one of the two major tasks of the Einsatzgruppen was; to collect intelligence to assist German domination and administarion of the conquered territories. (The second major task was to identify and eliminate defined groups that were the main support of the Communist system).
These of course are euphemisms for murder. According to reports from the field, several of which have been posted on this forum and, conveniently, dismissed by Mr. Mills, the Einatzgruppen began systematically murdering Jews and others shortly after the offensive in the east began in June 1941.

Mr. Mills’s efforts to diminish both the crimes of the Nazi regime and its responsibility for those crimes are, once again, exposed.

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 12 Oct 2004, 05:46

Here's Christopher Browning's take on the document (personal communication):
Heydrich speaks of sending Jews to Arctic camps, but this is not expulsion out of the Nazi sphere, rather concentration camps under Nazi control. At Wannsee he said Jews would be sent to the east for labor, where most would die of attrition and the rest treated accordingly. There is no contradiction. In neither case, of course, does he say what will happen to women, children, and elderly incapable of labor. What we do know, of course, is that the Nazis were already building two death camps equipped with gas chambers at Belzec and Chelmno, and had already contemplated gassing camps at Mogilev, Riga, Auschwitz, and possibly Sobibor.

The notion that in January 1942 concentration camps, either in Poland,Ostland, or the Artic, were called a "homeland" for the Jews, is a cynical joke--macabre Nazi humor--on Heydrich's part.

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