Other koncentration/extermination-camps in Yugoslavia.

[David Thompson]

Chetnik -- You asked:

Please point out specifically what in my post is even remotely aggressive or personal.

The expressions in your posts which displayed an aggressive and unnecessarily personal tone were:

the double standards

dragged into an argument

how racist and intolerant you think Serbs are

a huge double standard on your part

you are dismissing Ivan Bajlo (the guy who maintains vojska.net) simply because he is from Republika Srpska

and

If there are no double standards here, then you would either

You also asked:

Also explain where I have posted anything that is not directly related either to the topic of this thread or something posted by someone in this topic previously.

All of the above is irrelevant to the topic of this thread. The fact that you may have responded to "something posted by someone" does not make the response "on-topic."

Posts which offend against the rules of the forum are subject to deletion after warning. This is yours.

[Allen Milcic]

Chetnik:

Ivan Bajlo is from Zagreb, and is a Croat. The website I was talking about is NOT vojska.net, but rather:

http://www.arhivrs.org/jasenovac.asp

which is a website of the Bosnian Serb entity in BiH (the Republika Srpska).

I was comparing the reliability of Zerjavic, a well-known and world-renowned scholar, with a website created by the the government of the well-known chauvinistic Republika Srpska. Is it clear now, or do I need to draw pictures?

Krilnik:

I certainly hope you are not insinuating that I am a 'die hard supporter of the Poglavnik', because I think the man was nothing short of an embarassment to Croatia, I think he was a criminal and I think he was a coward. Just so there is no misunderstandings.

Allen/


Allen/

[Chetnik]

The expressions in your posts which displayed an aggressive and unnecessarily personal tone were:

Please explain why any of the statements you quoted above are aggressive or personal attacks. I believe any aggressiveness or personal attacks you see in any of those statements are imaginary on your part, because I did not intend them to be that way. It seems pretty much every post I make is followed by a warning from a moderator and I would like more clarification on what precisely I am posting that is catching the moderators' attention so that I can remedy it. I notice the same has happened to other posters who have challenged Croatian revisionism so I can't help but wonder if there is an agenda. Furthermore, the "forum rules" are extremely vague and should be rewritten so that there is no ambiguity about what is accepted posting behavior and what is not.

The website I was talking about is NOT vojska.net, but rather:

http://www.arhivrs.org/jasenovac.asp

My mistake.

I was comparing the reliability of Zerjavic, a well-known and world-renowned scholar, with a website created by the the government of the well-known chauvinistic Republika Srpska.

I still fail to see why one should be considered reliable and the other not. You might think the RS govt is chauvinistic and unreliable because it's Serbian, but someone else might think the same of Zerjavic because he's Croatian.

Is it clear now, or do I need to draw pictures?

My my isn't that the type of condescending and aggressive tone David Thompson was warning me about? I guess people don't have to follow the forum's netiquette rules when talking to a Serb.

[Allen Milcic]

I still fail to see why one should be considered reliable and the other not. You might think the RS govt is chauvinistic and unreliable because it's Serbian, but someone else might think the same of Zerjavic because he's Croatian.

The RS is not chauvinistic and unreliable because it is Serbian, it is looked at in that way because of its track record of aggression, ethnic and religious based war crimes and genocide. This track record is diametrically oposite from the Zerjavic's, whose scholarly work is respected Worldwide.

I trust that the Administrator will address your remaining concerns.

Allen/

[David Thompson]

Chetnik -- You said:

Please explain why any of the statements you quoted above are aggressive or personal attacks.

I see that you do not contest the fact that your posts were irrelevant to the topic, nor are you a stickler for accuracy. My words were: "expressions in your posts which displayed an aggressive and unnecessarily personal tone," not "aggressive or personal attacks," per your mischaracterization.

Now let's get to the offensive language. On five separate occasions in two posts, you accused another poster of having a double standard based on ethnic prejudices. That's aggressive, and, in the context of a civil discussion, it's also unnecessarily personal.

You also said:

I believe any aggressiveness or personal attacks you see in any of those statements are imaginary on your part, because I did not intend them to be that way. It seems pretty much every post I make is followed by a warning from a moderator and I would like more clarification on what precisely I am posting that is catching the moderators' attention so that I can remedy it.

I cannot say that I am surprised. If anything is imaginary here, it is the idea that your oafish allegations, repeated over and over again, were somehow unintentional. My job is to enforce the rules of the forum and promote intelligent and civil discussions. I have neither the time nor the inclination to run an etiquette class for your benefit.

You went on to say:

I notice the same has happened to other posters who have challenged Croatian revisionism so I can't help but wonder if there is an agenda.

Of course.

And you concluded:

Furthermore, the "forum rules" are extremely vague and should be rewritten so that there is no ambiguity about what is accepted posting behavior and what is not.

There's nothing vague or ambiguous about civility. Nor was there anything vague and ambiguous about your uncivil behavior. If you want to post here, mind your manners. You have already gotten a warning, and two explanations, so you've got nothing more coming to you. Further irrelevant or bickering posts here will be deleted.

[Dan]

I notice the same has happened to other posters who have challenged Croatian revisionism so I can't help but wonder if there is an agenda.

For what it's worth, the Mods here try to give everyone a chance to express their views. This is my experience anyway. I'm not sure what more you want.

Best
Dan

[Marcus Wendel]

Chetnik,

As pointed out by David Thompson above, the rules are very clear as are the fact that your posts in this thread have been in violation of them.

I personally could not care less if you are from Serbia, Croatia or Mars, the rules still applies to you, if you continue this nonsense, you will be banned.

/Marcus

[David Thompson]

An off-topic homoerotic fantasy post by Chetnick was deleted by the moderator -- DT.

[Krilnik]

Krilnik,

Let me get this clarified, are you accusing one of my moderators of being a "die-hard supporter" of Ante Pavelic?

/Marcus

Actually that was supposed to be joke regarding on one forum member nickname and two others who are adressing to him with it.Didn't you guys saw smiley?
Nobody is accusing nobody so take it easy.

[Marcus Wendel]

Yet another post discussing the status of Trst/Trieste was deleted, please let's not start that discussion again.

/Marcus

[Odysseios]

Ok Markus, say you what discussion is correct to start up!

O.

[Allen Milcic]

Ok Markus, say you what discussion is correct to start up!

O.

Odysseios:

The topic is concentration camps in Yugoslavia, not the political and/or national history of Trst/Trieste. It is therefore correct to discuss the topic at hand, or open a new discussion on the topic of Trst in the appropriate Forum area.

Regards,
Allen/

[Marcus Wendel]

Odysseios,

There was a rather heated (and now removed) discussion on that topic earlier in that thread and I did not want that to be started again, which is the reason I removed your post.

/Marcus

[Odysseios]

OK, message received

regards

O.

[asgatalopt]

Trst ?

You cannot cancel the fact that againsta the italians three was a good ethnic cleansing, while it is offensive that somebody, even with a "moderator" shroud, be allowed to deny a people its ethnicity.

It is dishonets to call nationalist people who feel offended by a verbal aggression. Trieste is an italian town and no governement in the world dreamed of sayng otherwise, with the exception obviously of croatian and slovenian antionalists.

To call Trieste part of theslovenian national territory is a plain show of a genocidal, nationalistic attitude, so much for the moderator qualification of the poster.

Still today such people are marring relationship between peoples, while even in the occasion of the entrance of Slovenia in the european union some nice people restored an eormous Tito writing on the Sabotino mountain facing the italian border.