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Postby zmisiek on 11 Jul 2006 14:50

On the first photo is corner of Nowy ¦wiat street and ¦wiêtokrzyska street. View from the east to west.

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Postby Fritz the Rat on 03 Dec 2006 19:03

new address: http://www.death-camps.org (now with hyphen).

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Postby stcamp on 24 Sep 2007 16:03

More fotos of the ghetto. None I own - All our autions happening on Ebay. The first are from 1941.
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Postby stcamp on 24 Sep 2007 16:06

On the previous 3 the small bundle on the steps looks a lot like a kid. These are from earlier - my guess is 1940. I ran into tech probs so I will just post this one.
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Postby stcamp on 24 Sep 2007 16:09

same series and time. The German looks as if he is carrying someone. The wooden wall is probably the original ghetto wall.
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Postby stcamp on 24 Sep 2007 16:14

I am not sure of these - possibly late 1941 - inside the ghetto
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Postby PF on 12 Oct 2009 13:46

Site of the Warsaw ghetto from "Life" Magazine November 19, 1945 page 110-111 {note must go to 2 page layout icon at top to see the whole photograph spread; is that Pawiak Prison at left and St Augustine church in right ?}
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Re: Warsaw or Warschau photos

Postby PF on 02 Nov 2009 19:11

In regard to viewtopic.php?f=6&t=91293&start=75 post Dec 13, 2005

Posting of German "Policemen" picture -what are the names?

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Postby stcamp on 09 Dec 2011 17:35

These are early war time period.
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Re: Warsaw or Warschau photos

Postby Andreth on 22 May 2012 09:50

You have gathered an amazing collection. The last picture is of course the same place as zmisiek correctly identified as the corner of Swietokrzyska and Nowy Swiat. The one you posted previously is curious, since it looks almost exactly like a photo in the book of T. Szarota "Okupowanej Warszawy dzien powszedni" (Everyday life in occupied Warsaw), with the board advertising glass panes (szyby) and furniture (meble) in the background. (Thus almost certainly 1939.) Only in Szarota's book there is a wagon carrying coffins in the foreground. In warsaw4.jpg one lamp post is removed, so I would say it is later than 1939 (everything that was metal was prone to removal by the Germans).

As for the bicycle shop, a sign in German is no proof that the shop was owned by a Volksdeutch, as it was speculated early in the thread. All Polish shops in Warsaw were supposed to have signs in German since late 1939 (Polish was allowed, but only together with German). It was not required for Jewish shops, so if you see Polish-only signs, good chance it's a ghetto photo. Speaking of which, a Jew with an armband may as well appear in a photo of pre-getto Warsaw or even post-ghetto 'aryan' part (some Jews were allowed movement outside getto). Jews in Warsaw were forced to wear armbands as early as 1 December 1939 (after Tomasz Szarota "Okupowanej Warszawy dzien powszedni"). So classification of a place is not always obvious.

warsaw19402007f.jpg looks suburbian, lots of space, low buildings. Nothing like the part surrounding ghetto (more like Praga, on the eastern side of Vistula). I think the wooden fence is just an ordinary fence.

Some photos can be found on Wikipedia Commons (in unlikely case you didn't spot them up to now: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... I_by_month).

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Postby stcamp on 22 May 2012 10:40

Thanks for the information. Without looking at my notes the police unit I think is PB 65? I remember it was assigned getto wache duties at the beginning of the enclosure. That is why I put them in the ghetto.

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Postby Andreth on 22 May 2012 11:16

Ghetto wooden wall was rather higher and had barbed wire on top. Here is a photo: http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/gallery/p075.htm. And 'your' fence looks too weather-worn (wooden ghetto wall did not stand for long).

BTW, somebody wondered why the same scenery occurs over and over again on different photos. Just a hypothesis - in Warsaw there were quite of lot of street photographers. If such a photographer worked in one fixed place, no wonder different photos (sold then to different people) have the same background.

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