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Sam H. wrote:However, it wasn't until 1942 the the U-Boats were able to make shipping a serious issue for the British.
Mark V wrote:For Tim:
This has been to me the love/hate issue of WW2 for years now..
On the other hand i am stunned by the material, manpower and production capacity Bismarck and Tipitz consumed, which could had been used to fullfill other, more important needs. On the other hand i accept the "fleet in being" importance of these vessels and resources which were consumed by the allied to counter them.
After thinking this forth and back for years - i am now settled to following:
- if they would had not been build and RN because of that wouldn't had build 5 !! KGV-class battleships - not building them would had been a mistake.
- if they would had not been build and RN on the other had (not taking German production program to account ***) would had still build 5 KGV-class battleships - not building them would had been a wise decision.
*** And this question brings us to Japanese. Would the increasing threat of Imperial Navy (and the ongoing building race in Italy and France) had made Brits build all 5 KGVs ???
So, thinking about this issue i have by now ended to Pacific Ocean... Be warned, this is a question that can haunt you in your dreams.
Andy H wrote:I agree with Tim that in sheer cost-effectivness the two German ships were not worth the effort, because sheer mathematics were against them achieving any lasting victory.
Yes they would have had there moments in the sun (Like the Bismarck) but eventually as happened in reality they would have to bow to the inevitable.
Andy from the Shire
Tim Smith wrote:Interestingly, the money and steel that went into Bismarck and Tirpitz could have been used to build 80 type VII U-boats instead. The U-boat force only had 37 ocean-going U-boats in 1939 - imagine the effect on the early Battle of the Atlantic had another 80 been available! Allied shipping losses would have been doubled.
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