The hospital ship Moero

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by igorr » 30 Nov 2010, 11:12

Well, there was 10 U-boote in area on 20.9.44. From them, 4 guarded Seeigel-sperre, 2 was on patrol in Aaland see, 2 stayed in Baltischport, one in Kopli and one (Hohmann) in Reval. Alas, there is no report about U-bootlage on 21.9.44, only mention on 20.9.44, that next day (i.e. 21th) Hohmann must leave and go to Aaland see. So, U 1165 may be only U-boot at Reval on 21.9.44. In reality she was send to south as escort for Luftwaffen-tanker HANNA, but i don't know exactly when. 23.9 Hohmann send message about his convoy from sea.

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 30 Nov 2010, 11:53

asubris wrote:Thanks for that confirmation about U boats.
A boat, not boats.
igorr wrote: So, U 1165 may be only U-boot at Reval on 21.9.44.
asubris wrote: I am beginning to believe that what we believed to be minesweeper was an auxiliary ship
Some sort of a Hilfsminensucher might then be an option.
At the other thread about the same issue I posted this link:
http://www.hot.ee/hintzer/laeva_0.htm
Don't know how thruthful it is, but there is a mention of a (auxillary???) miinitraaler (minesweeper) RO-2, that If I understand correctly, left Tallinn the same day as Moero.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 30 Nov 2010, 12:11

igorr wrote:Well, there was 10 U-boote in area on 20.9.44.
The boats mentioned here?
7.– 21.9.1944
Ostsee
Nach Ausfall der finn. Häfen operieren die dt. U-Boote (Einsatzleiter KKpt. Brandi) von Danzig und Gotenhafen aus vor den Eingängen des Finnenbusens. Beteiligt sind im September/Oktober U 717, U 958, U 370, U 348, U 475, U 290, U 1165 und U 481. Am 21.9. legen U 242 (Oblt.z.S. Pancke) und U 1001 (Kptlt. Blaudow) bei Porkkala Minensperren, auf denen der finn. Dampfer Rigel (1495 BRT) sinkt
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/44-09.htm

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Post by igorr » 01 Dec 2010, 06:32

In KTB no subs numbers, only their commanders names. This was:
Nielsen, von Rothkirch, Groth, von Trotha; Herglotz and Sons; Hohmann; Blaudow and Pancke; Schunck.
If you wish, you may check it thru u-boat.net.

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by asubris » 01 Dec 2010, 12:36

When I refer back to my brother some things are becoming clearer. There definitely two submarines, as my next oldest brother at that time was three and nearly fell off the gangplank between the two.
This ship that he called minesweeper (I have my doubts), but it had a large hold behind the bridge; the had the captains quarters under the bridge; the other sailors were in front of the bridge area; there were no obvious guns on board; they did some mine clearing but only with long poles; my mother remarked how shocked she was when she saw the explosives; brother did not see explosives probably under cover; the ship was on a special mission; they talked about blowing up installations in Estonia but did not; they called in at other ports on the way back to Pillau one can guess doing the same either destroying eg bridges or something or clearing up secret documents. Very interesting. Thanks for your help. I am going to show my brother some of the ships from Kriegsmarine site when he comes again in next two weeks. Regards to all for all your comments which helps to get nearer to the facts and truth, Arvo

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by Mischa » 01 Dec 2010, 13:51

igorr wrote:In KTB no subs numbers, only their commanders names. This was:
Nielsen, von Rothkirch, Groth, von Trotha; Herglotz and Sons; Hohmann; Blaudow and Pancke; Schunck.
If you wish, you may check it thru u-boat.net.
Hello,

26.06.1944 the first came to Kotka. In July there were 7 U-Boote „U 679”, „475”, „479”, „370”, „242”, 250”, „348”).

U 679 (Friedrich Breckwoldt)
U 475 (Otto Stoeffler)
U 479 (Friedrich-Wilhelm Sons)
U 370 (Karl Nielsen)
U 242 (Karl-Wilhelm Pancke)
U 250 (Werner-Karl Schmidt)
U 348 (Kurt-Heinz Nikolay

source: Jürg Meister „Der Seekrieg in den osteuropäischen Gewässern 1941-45” – J. F. Lehmanns Verlag München, 1958, page 99 + links and comment from Mirosłav Morosov (Russia) in the Russian edition (only the sea war in the Baltic 1941-1945 in 2 brochures 1. „Voyna w Vostochnoevropeyskikh vodach 1941-1943, Moskwa 1995 and the 2. under the same title in 1996 but describing the years 1944-1945. in the publishing cycle "Antologiya voyny na morye”, No 5 („wypust”), publishing house Isdatielstvo „TshTshchPo”

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the other, like von Trotha (+) camew later and operated from Gotenhafen?

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by igorr » 01 Dec 2010, 18:23

Researching subs from KTB is very long and hard process. Sorry, i have no time for this! I think you can discover this from uboat.net, if you know where to search (by commanders names).

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 01 Dec 2010, 22:32

A memory from the past:
Harri wrote:Since 28.6.1944 Fregattenkapitän Albrecht Brandi commanded Uboot-Führungstab on Gulf of Finland. U boat bases were at Kotka and Helsinki in Finland and Tallinn in Estonia. The following boats were under the command of this HQ:
U 481, U 748, U 1193 (6.1944 -)
U 242, U 250, U 348, U 475, U 479, U 679 (7.1944 -)
U 717, U 745, U 1001 (8.1944 -)
U 290, U 958 (9.1944 -)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2985&hilit

Have to check the relevant boats and their captains some day.
At least U 250 and her captain Schmidt were not at Tallinn evacuation.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 08 Dec 2010, 23:21

Some old and some new info about the subject:
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/wbb ... 2e3248fc8a

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by igorr » 09 Dec 2010, 07:41

Errors i see. Reval 25.9.44 last evacuation convoy? 23 was last day. Soviet side declare liberating this city even 22.9.44!

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 11 Dec 2010, 11:06

igorr wrote:Errors i see. Reval 25.9.44 last evacuation convoy? 23 was last day.
Maybe a typing error?

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by TISO » 11 Dec 2010, 16:42

Back to Moero
On Juha's link there are two drawings of attack on 22.nd of september 1944 by 51.MTAP and on the first drawing crew commanders of the planes are listed.
Orlenko I.F. - torpedo bomber (torpedonosec)
Relin M.?. - topmast bomber (topmachtovik)
Sazanov K.I. - leading bombardier (veadushi shturman) - as i understand this was the second torpedo bomber plane
Remizov ?.?. - top mast bomber(topmachtovik)

Orlenko was a regimental commander at the end of the war.
What was his function in september 1944?
Did he at the time of the Moero sinking flew A-20G-35-DO production number 43-10067 (plane he flew at the end of the war)?
Orlenko's plane (with his last crew) at the end of the war pic taken in Kolberg:
http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Photos/Orlenko.html

BTW
Orlenko wrote a couple of books (BTW books overlap):
Крылатые торпедоносцы - Krilatie torpedonosci - Winged torpedo carriers
can be found in russsian here:
http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Book2/index.html

Мы – «Таллинские» - We are "Tallin"
can be found in russsian here:
http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Book1/index.html

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by igorr » 12 Dec 2010, 14:23

In september Orlenko was deputy commander. If you read russian, much better source than memoirs is M. Morozov's book about russian torpedo-bombers. Part of it (about Baltic) present on bellabs site.

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by andrus » 13 Dec 2010, 13:50

9. Sich.-Div.:
Lage 21.9. 1400 Uhr: [...] 5.) U.Nielsen in Koppli. [...]
Räumungsleiter 9. Sich.-Div. Durch F. 3.

U.Nielsen - http://uboat.net/boats/u370.htm

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Re: The hospital ship Moero

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Post by Mussak » 10 Nov 2015, 15:29

Does anyone have a passenger manifest from this ship ? My father was on this ship and survived.

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