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Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

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Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Sid Guttridge on 08 Dec 2010 13:38

I have found the following rather adult article debunking one of the peripheral myths of WWII:

http://www.doxtop.com/browse/cd6c4896/a ... itler.aspx

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Marcus Wendel on 16 Nov 2011 15:40

An off-topic post by Oscarruben was removed, please continue the discussion of the claim that Hitler lived in Argentina post-war in your existing thread at viewtopic.php?f=46&t=167095

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby waldzee on 01 Mar 2012 18:18

Sid Guttridge wrote:I have found the following rather adult article debunking one of the peripheral myths of WWII:

http://www.doxtop.com/browse/cd6c4896/a ... itler.aspx


I DEMAND that Sid & Marcus explain how the Nazi anti Gravity ships left for the moon in 1945 if there was no secret Antarctic base... :P

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Mark McShane on 01 Mar 2012 18:55

Thanks for posting Sid,

I liked the section on Byrd and the UFO's and a great article overall.

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby waldzee on 01 Mar 2012 19:20

Mark McShane wrote:Thanks for posting Sid,

I liked the section on Byrd and the UFO's and a great article overall.

Mark

I applaud Sid's courage in defying the 250 plus proof videos on yoooootube....

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby redcoat on 01 Mar 2012 19:56

The bit I find depressing is that nonsense like this needs to be debunked in the first place :(

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby waldzee on 01 Mar 2012 20:35

redcoat wrote:The bit I find depressing is that nonsense like this needs to be debunked in the first place :(


If people want to Believe in secret Nazi bases in Antartica- its harmless. I suggest they cash in their farm & go look...

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Atrevida on 01 Mar 2012 21:20

In the very good article appearing in the opening post, the answer to every query you might ever like to make appears at page 12.

On the gangplank between U 977 and the quay you can just make out what looks like a 14-feet long fishing net four feet in height, of two sides and able to stand by itself. This is actually an aerial which remains highly classified as being the most secret of the three aboard U 977 when she surrendered. In the documents the Argentine Navy could not understand why a clapped out old boat from a U-training flotilla should have such advanced electronic equipment installed and forty tons of heavy electrical equipment in the interior if Schäffer was simply escaping from Europe to get a better deal for the crew.

However, neither U 530 not U 977 were anywhere near Antarctica at any time in 1945.

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Kingfish on 01 Mar 2012 22:06

waldzee wrote:
redcoat wrote:The bit I find depressing is that nonsense like this needs to be debunked in the first place :(

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If people want to Believe in secret Nazi bases in Antartica- its harmless. I suggest they cash in their farm & go look...


Those penguins do look suspicious...

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby sunbury2 on 02 Mar 2012 04:43

Kingfish wrote

Those penguins do look suspicious..


Your so right!

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Ironmachine on 02 Mar 2012 08:33

Atrevida wrote:On the gangplank between U-977 and the quay you can just make out what looks like a 14-feet long fishing net four feet in height, of two sides and able to stand by itself.

Actually, I just can't. Would you be so kind as to mark it in the picture?

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Atrevida on 02 Apr 2012 16:11

From Atrevida/Ohrdruf

I have always been doubtful of the existence of a major Third Reich base on Antarctica for the following reasons:

-In 1938, the German Antarctic Expedition invited Admiral Byrd to accompany it. He went to Hamburg to discuss the matter but felt he must decline for political reasons. It seems improbable that he would have been asked to come along to witness the work of the Expedition if it had been of that high level of secrecy one would expects of a secret base.

-On the voyage down a stop was made at the Brazilian island of Trinidade to erect a radio station on the second plateau.

-Whereas Britain claimed a huge triangular chunk of Antarctica with its apex at the South Pole, the Germans wanted only a short coastal stretch of Queen Maud Land between 20ºE and 11º30'W. Why the western perimeter should be so precise at 11º30'W and not 10ºW remains unexplained.

-At most a small unmanned radio station would have been located on Queen Maud Land, a navigation beacon, perhaps integral to a Knickebein system working with the Trinidade station.

-The mysterious aerial seen in the photograph of U-977 may be significant here. It was fourteen feet long and no indication exists as to how it was rigged aboard the boat. It was "rotatable, had a variable parabola and was wired into the railing of the upper gun platform starboard side". The huge amount of electrical machinery aboard U-977 was used to serve the function of this aerial.

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Sid Guttridge on 02 Apr 2012 16:24

Hi Ohdruf,

The 1938-39 German Antarctic Expedition stopped at Trinidade on the way back from Antarctica.

The Germans never made any formal claim on Antarctica and so no boundaries can be assigned to such a claim. However, we do know where the German expedition visited and where its aircraft flew. Doubtless if they had made a formal claim it would have included this area. (Byrd's US expedition the following year similarly resulted in no formal US claim.)

The Gereman expedition conducted an oceanographic survey at Trinidade and at another Brazilian island, Fernando de Noronha.

I know of no radio station set up on Trinidade by the Germans.

To do so without Brazilian permission would have risked alienating an important neutral and trading partner.

The Brazilians were already suspicious of German interest in Trinidade after they used it briefly in 1914 to arm an armed merchant cruiser and in 1941 put a permanent Marine garrison there.

What is your source for this radio mast?

Cheers,

Sid.

Cheers,

Sid.

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Atrevida on 04 Apr 2012 17:39

The Funkstation on Trinidade was operational as from March 1939. The first call was on the way down to Antartica. This was pre-war and the Brazilians were aware of it. My source has published photos of the item. It is not relevant whether there was a formal German claim. The important thing was the sector the Germans were particularly interested in.

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Re: Hitler's Antarctic Base: the Myth and Reality.

Postby Ironmachine on 05 Apr 2012 16:06

Atrevida wrote:The mysterious aerial seen in the photograph of U-977 may be significant here.

It may be, so I have to repeat that I can't see that aerial "on the gangplank between U-977 and the quay". Again, would you be so kind as to mark it in the picture?
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