Many ships ID--3-- modified and supplanted
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Many ships ID--3-- modified and supplanted
Hello all, I am starting a new thread for ships IDs. The old thread was poorly arranged and sourced, so here is the new one, with new contents added as well. Thank you in advance!
PS: besides the pictures for ID, I have also a few questions on certain ships, would you please help answer?
Q1: A German ship called Anna was sunk in the Aegean by RAF on 12th Oct.1944. Wikipedia says it was a cargo ship, but the picture looks more like a whaling factory ship. So I wonder what role she played in KM before being sunk?
Q2: A German transport Luneburg was sunk in the Aegean, when it was sunk, a Torpedoboot Ausland was present, which one was she? I guess she was one of TA16,TA17,TA18 or TA19.
Q3: The German large hospital ship Lindau, was she actually commissioned into KM, or was her conversion dropped before complete?
Q4: Germans used two French naval auxiliary ships as blockships: President Dal Piaz and Sampiero Corso. Were the two ships in KM service before that, e.g. as barracks ships?
Q5: Are there any clear photos of UJ2103, UJ2106,UJ2108 and UJ2110 in any books or websites etc.?
Q6: Who operated the kriegstransports and various blockade runners, navy sailors or merchant navy seamen? Some KTs seemed to have Italian flags flying on their masts, were the Italian navy given any of these ships, like the Bulgarians were?
PS: besides the pictures for ID, I have also a few questions on certain ships, would you please help answer?
Q1: A German ship called Anna was sunk in the Aegean by RAF on 12th Oct.1944. Wikipedia says it was a cargo ship, but the picture looks more like a whaling factory ship. So I wonder what role she played in KM before being sunk?
Q2: A German transport Luneburg was sunk in the Aegean, when it was sunk, a Torpedoboot Ausland was present, which one was she? I guess she was one of TA16,TA17,TA18 or TA19.
Q3: The German large hospital ship Lindau, was she actually commissioned into KM, or was her conversion dropped before complete?
Q4: Germans used two French naval auxiliary ships as blockships: President Dal Piaz and Sampiero Corso. Were the two ships in KM service before that, e.g. as barracks ships?
Q5: Are there any clear photos of UJ2103, UJ2106,UJ2108 and UJ2110 in any books or websites etc.?
Q6: Who operated the kriegstransports and various blockade runners, navy sailors or merchant navy seamen? Some KTs seemed to have Italian flags flying on their masts, were the Italian navy given any of these ships, like the Bulgarians were?
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Re: Many ships ID--3-- modified and supplanted
Then go with IDs, one picture per floor
No.1, what's the barracks ship in the background?
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE0MVgxNjAw/ ... 1/$_57.JPG
From Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KRIEGSMARINE-TY ... 20f4866801
No.1, what's the barracks ship in the background?
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE0MVgxNjAw/ ... 1/$_57.JPG
From Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KRIEGSMARINE-TY ... 20f4866801
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No.3
Suspected ex-Norwegian OTB that served in KM as Zick or Zack, with major rebuilds
Source was a Polish or Czech forum, but unfortunately still can not be found again.
Suspected ex-Norwegian OTB that served in KM as Zick or Zack, with major rebuilds
Source was a Polish or Czech forum, but unfortunately still can not be found again.
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No.4
Was the test ship Störtebeker or Pelikan?
Pic from website Navyworld
Was the test ship Störtebeker or Pelikan?
Pic from website Navyworld
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No.5 (more coming tomorrow)
One torpedo boat of Italian origin. Given the quadri-mount 20mm flak, I think she was already in KM service. Which one was she, TA23, TA25, or TA26?
Source is either Ebay or the same missing Polish/Czech forum.
One torpedo boat of Italian origin. Given the quadri-mount 20mm flak, I think she was already in KM service. Which one was she, TA23, TA25, or TA26?
Source is either Ebay or the same missing Polish/Czech forum.
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Q 1:
"Anna" ex Italian "Adriana" was no whaling factory, but a cargo built for the transportation of coal which might account for her unusual appearance.
Q 3:
"LIndau" was in service as hospital ship from 28.10.41 until 01.01.43, when she became a barracks ship. But I don't know if she ever made a voyage as a hospital ship or was used only as stationary hospital.
Q 6:
the German KT and blockade runners were operated by merchant navy seamen, but if they had AA, there was a detachment of militaries to operate them. But there were a number of blockade runners which belonged to the navy, like the "Doggerbank" ex "Speybank" which was used as minelayer outward bound or several other ships whose main purpose was the supply of raiders and submarines.
And yes, there was a number of KT-vessels which were transferred to the Italian navy before the armistice (and some more were intended to). They had names starting with Monte like "Monte Cucco", "Monte Grappa" ...
"Anna" ex Italian "Adriana" was no whaling factory, but a cargo built for the transportation of coal which might account for her unusual appearance.
Q 3:
"LIndau" was in service as hospital ship from 28.10.41 until 01.01.43, when she became a barracks ship. But I don't know if she ever made a voyage as a hospital ship or was used only as stationary hospital.
Q 6:
the German KT and blockade runners were operated by merchant navy seamen, but if they had AA, there was a detachment of militaries to operate them. But there were a number of blockade runners which belonged to the navy, like the "Doggerbank" ex "Speybank" which was used as minelayer outward bound or several other ships whose main purpose was the supply of raiders and submarines.
And yes, there was a number of KT-vessels which were transferred to the Italian navy before the armistice (and some more were intended to). They had names starting with Monte like "Monte Cucco", "Monte Grappa" ...
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Thanks a lot for the answers! I have seen pictures of KT-1 and KT-16 flying Italian flags. KT-1 was in German service until sunk, while KT-16 seemed to have always in Italian hands per google search results.
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No.6
A netlayer, which one was she?
source:tsushima.su
A netlayer, which one was she?
source:tsushima.su
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No.7
a netlayer called Heppens, but I can not find this one on 'Battleship Bismarck'. What was her netlayer number?
source: marinearchiv forum
a netlayer called Heppens, but I can not find this one on 'Battleship Bismarck'. What was her netlayer number?
source: marinearchiv forum
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No.8
When was this pic taken, in Italian service or as German escort SG23?
source: wrecksite.eu
When was this pic taken, in Italian service or as German escort SG23?
source: wrecksite.eu
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No.9
These two pictures show diver support ships Togo and Seehund. Some unique equipments were red-circled, what were they? Were they oxygen tanks for divers?
source: tsushima.su
These two pictures show diver support ships Togo and Seehund. Some unique equipments were red-circled, what were they? Were they oxygen tanks for divers?
source: tsushima.su
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No.10
a German transport attacked by RAF rockets, in Aegean.
source: tsushima.su
a German transport attacked by RAF rockets, in Aegean.
source: tsushima.su
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No.11
Auxiliaries converted from old MS 1916-class.
1st shows artillery training boat Dolphin, 2nd shows fishery protection ship Zieten, were the photos taken in Reichsmarine or Kriegsmarine?
source:Dolphin picture from Navyworld website, Zieten picture from Ebay.
Auxiliaries converted from old MS 1916-class.
1st shows artillery training boat Dolphin, 2nd shows fishery protection ship Zieten, were the photos taken in Reichsmarine or Kriegsmarine?
source:Dolphin picture from Navyworld website, Zieten picture from Ebay.
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Q 2:
"Lüneburg" was escorted by "TA 16", "TA 17", "TA 19", "UJ 2101", "UJ 2105", "UJ 2106", "UJ 2110", "GK. 92" and "R 210" when she was torpedoed and sunk:
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de ... value=3339
Q 4:
"Président Dal Piaz" and "Sampiero Corso" were transferred to Italian flag after November 1942. Seized by the Germans in September 1943 (as far as I know both in Italian ports) they were returned to France in February 1944 ("Président Dal Piaz") and October 1943. Laid-up until seized again by the Germans in June 1944 for use as blockships at Cassis, but before the Germans could sink them (even if they were already at the spots they were intended to be) they were torpedoed by the British submarine "Universal" - with a little help from your foes
The barracks ship in the background of "U 234" is either "Milwaukee" or "St. Louis".
"Lüneburg" was escorted by "TA 16", "TA 17", "TA 19", "UJ 2101", "UJ 2105", "UJ 2106", "UJ 2110", "GK. 92" and "R 210" when she was torpedoed and sunk:
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de ... value=3339
Q 4:
"Président Dal Piaz" and "Sampiero Corso" were transferred to Italian flag after November 1942. Seized by the Germans in September 1943 (as far as I know both in Italian ports) they were returned to France in February 1944 ("Président Dal Piaz") and October 1943. Laid-up until seized again by the Germans in June 1944 for use as blockships at Cassis, but before the Germans could sink them (even if they were already at the spots they were intended to be) they were torpedoed by the British submarine "Universal" - with a little help from your foes
The barracks ship in the background of "U 234" is either "Milwaukee" or "St. Louis".