Siebel Ferries and MFPs

[david5]

While surfing the net I found a website of an diving club that found an almost intact MFP wreck.
Haffway this page you'll find a photo on an MFP in Holland that I haven't seen before.

the website is http://www.wdsr.nl/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=60

Wim Goossen
The Netherlands

Ps. I have also several photo's MFP and Siebel ferry's from old ebay auctions but can't post them on this group by myself I someone would like to have them or is willing to post them on this group, please contact me.

Hello
Would you mind e'mailing or posting copies of the Sieble ferry photographs to me please,i would like to build a model of one and photo's are hard to come by,i live in Scotland and i am happy to pay for them.
Regards David5

[ChrisMAg2]

...
Also, can anyone translate this:

Ladefahigkeit an schwersten Lasten: 1 Tiger-Panzer + Zubehor

and... Belastungsgrenze fur Klapprampe 70t
...

Carrying capacity on heaviest loads: 1 (one) PzKw VI Tiger including accessories.
Max load for the dropramp is 70t (70 metric tons).

[nils51]

While surfing the net I found a website of an diving club that found an almost intact MFP wreck.
Haffway this page you'll find a photo on an MFP in Holland that I haven't seen before.

the website is http://www.wdsr.nl/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=60

Wim Goossen
The Netherlands

Ps. I have also several photo's MFP and Siebel ferry's from old ebay auctions but can't post them on this group by myself I someone would like to have them or is willing to post them on this group, please contact me.

Hello
As a modelbuilder I would like to have the pictures for a Diorama

Regards

Mike

[sallyg]

Also by Peter Schenk is Landung in England: Das geplante Unternehmen "Seelöwe"

[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Landung-England-Unternehmen-amphibischen-Grossunternehmen/dp/3926409444/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219790273&sr=8-5
[/url]

Don't be put off, I found my copy for $35.00.

It covers in great detail and with many photos the conversion of vessels into landing craft for Sealion.

[eisenbahn9]

Here are a few photos of MFPs taken from Peter Schenk's book "Kampf um die Agais". Of particular interest is the quartet of MFPs in the port of Salonika as it shows a Panzer IV loaded onto the bow of the MFP in the foreground. The poor image quality is because these are scans of photocopies.

[saltdog67]

looking for plans or drawings of MFP"S or AFP"S anyone know where i can find these ? they are so cool looking

[eisenbahn9]

Does anyone know when the first MFP was commissioned? It was some time in 1941 but I need a month (and exact date if known). Thanks!

[igorr]

It seems like first was F.100A on 16.4.41.

[Mischa]

It seems like first was F.100A on 16.4.41.

Hello Igorr,
are You sure, April 1941 is very late? The Germans planed to use in the time of "Unternehmen Seelöwe" specially builded for this operation the mentioned "Siebelfähren", so I think it must be in 1940? I have not my Gröner, because I lend it to my friend and I do not know, when I get it back.
Regards
Mischa

Hello it`s me once again,
I proved it and rhe first "Siebelfähre" SF 01 was builded between may and june 1941. After Gröner vol. no 7.
Rergards
Mischa

[eisenbahn9]

Thank you both for your replies! Now I have several further questions:

When did the Italians secure plans and negotiate rights from the Kriegsmarine to build copies of the MFP-A? Again, I'm looking for a month/year. I'm thinking it must have been some time in 1941 because one book I have says they were building "motozaterre" (or MZ) through the winter and spring prior to the planned invasion of Malta in July 1942, which means they must have approached the Kriegsmarine in 1941.

I have read elsewhere that the Italians sent a naval commission to Germany in November 1941 but I thought they were primarily there to study the carrier Graf Zeppelin. Maybe they also discussed the MFP?

Also, how many Italian motozattere were ready for use by July/August 1942? One source says they were "still short" of landing craft and had to import German MFPs via the French rivers/canals to the Rhone and then into the Mediterranean.

Finally, does anyone know approximately how long it took to build an MFP, start to finish?

[crolick]

First Motozattera was laid down in March 1942.
First batch of MZ consist of 65 vessels of which all were available in August (though there should be also some time given for the crews to 'know' their ships)
In average it took 3 months to built one MZ.

Hope it helps!
Andrzej

[eisenbahn9]

Andrzej,

Yes, this information is very helpful! Where did you find this in? I am looking for good publications with technical information on these vessels as well as the German MFPs. Thanks!

[igorr]

I wrote all just as Groener, bd. 8. Do You think, he wrong, Micha? First MFP was ordered only 15.12.40 - far from Seelowe.
Best internet source about MFP - undoubtly http://historisches-marinearchiv.de/mar ... eibung.php

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay showing a german coastal gun position in Anapa (Krim, Russland) with MFPs in the background

Regards Sturm78

[Mischa]

Helo Sturm78
a very fine picture
but Anapa is a seaport and town in Krasnodar Krai, Russia (not Krim), located on the northern coast of the Black Sea near the Sea of Azov.
Regards
Mischa