Tirpitz War dead following Slavage.

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Tirpitz War dead following Slavage.

Postby lisset » 07 Jul 2005 08:06

I recently picked up a copy of Ludo kennedy's book on the Tirpitz "Menace" *, last saw it when I was still at school . ( More than a few years ago ).
* (Published in 1979 by Sidgwick & Jackson for the then sum of £7.95 !)

Given the size dangers presented by Tirpitz she had to be cut up and removed.
A dangerous and unpleasant job given the number of men who died and were trapped within her.

Can any members shed any light on the salvage operation on Tirpitz and exactly how long it took ?
What remains of the wreck today apart from the pieces on the shoreline ?

Other than Ludovic Kennedy's " Menace" can any readers recommend any other photographic reord of this salvage operation ?

Can anyone translate the writing on the hull ?

The remains of the crew , where are they buried ?

Thank you to all in advance.
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Postby Milorg » 07 Jul 2005 10:05

The computer i am on now is realy bad so i have problem with the text on the hull.
If you visit Oslo and se a road being repaired or dug up, and the road are covered with steel plates.
That is a part of the Tirpitz.
All i have for now
cheers Milorg

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Postby fjernsyn » 11 Jul 2005 23:37

The writing "Høvding Skipsopphugging" on the hull is just telling the name of the company cutting the wreck into pieces.

A link to some pictures: http://www.vrakdykking.com/schlachtshiff_tirpitz.htm
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Thank you.

Postby lisset » 12 Jul 2005 01:39

fjernsyn Thank you I could not make it out. Cheers JS

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Postby Simon Orchard » 15 Jul 2005 16:27

I think this is a question for me as i live in Tromsø.

First off, those that died. As you may know 971 men died on that fateful day in November 1944. Of those around 850 have no known grave, those that do are buried at Botn-Rognan German war cemetery. As you also may know Einar Høvding bought all the German wrecks in Norwegian waters (or at least a great many of them) for 1Kr. from the Norwegian state. The Tirpitz took many years to break up, i don't have the exact year they finished but it was in the 50's, there are some small pieces left on the shore, at the wreck site itself there's wreckage on the bottom and is unfortunately a popular dive site with no protection.

I say unfortunately because human remains still lie out there and are found by divers...who don't give a damn and are only looking for goodies to plunder. The shorline today tells a sorry tale, take a walk on any day and i'll show you the uniform remains scattered about, left after divers have thrown away what they don't want to keep. I usually take a walk there a couple of times a year to see what's turned up and i have on occasion found bones, although it's a number of years ago now but still regularly find personal uniform items which were clearly being worn at the time they went in the water.

I've also heard the stories of those involved in breaking her up, of men coming home from a days work with a whole lot of watches, of some remains simply being actually interred in Tromsø itself and then simply buried deeper and built over in post-war building work.

I've even written to the German war graves commission, the answer i got was pretty much one of 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil'.


Personally i would like to see what's left of her properly declared a war grave as she should be and ban divers from removing anything more from her. But i can't see it happening, people just don't want to 'rock the boat' and anyway, who cares about a bunch of dead Germans right? they were the enemy after all :x

As for photos of her breaking up, I've seen quite a few but they belong to someone else and so i can't post any for you.

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Postby Königstiger » 15 Jul 2005 16:54

I totally agree with you, Simon. But wasn't Tirpitz bought for 120.000 Norwegian kroner from the Norwegian government, instead of 1 Krone?

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Postby Simon Orchard » 15 Jul 2005 17:09

I'm going from memory here but i think he bought the all the wrecks for a symbolic sum.

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norway Invasion April 1940

Postby drumkeerin » 17 Jul 2005 17:52

I am not aware of any accurate account of the German Invasion, including the competing German and English plans and interests. Can anyone direct me to more information about this period in Northern Europe

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Postby Königstiger » 17 Jul 2005 17:58

This is a great site about the invasion:

http://hem.fyristorg.com/robertm/norge/index.html

By the way, I think that you have posted this in the wrong topic...

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Postby Erik E » 17 Jul 2005 18:27

This is the best page I`ve seen so far about the German invasion and the battles against the British forces:

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/UK/U ... l#contents

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Postby moses » 18 Jul 2005 01:45

Simon Orchard wrote:and i have on occasion found bones, although it's a number of years ago now but still regularly find personal uniform items which were clearly being worn at the time they went in the water.

i'm amazed that that's allowed or that it's even legal. i can't imagine an american or british (or any of the winners in the war) wreck site being treated that way without a public outcry or worse.

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Postby Xavier » 19 Jul 2005 20:36

a recent dive on the wreck:
(or what's lefto of it...)
http://community.webshots.com/album/219752656lZJTOy
lots of small stuff lying around in the bottom.......

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Postby Simon Orchard » 25 Sep 2007 21:30

Under an apartment up at Prestvannet as i understand. In any case human remains are still to be found at the site.

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Postby Andreas » 01 Oct 2007 10:42

I have removed a number of off-topic posts.

All the best

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Postby Panzer_Lehr » 01 Oct 2007 11:09

Simon Orchard wrote:I think this is a question for me as i live in Tromsø.

First off, those that died. As you may know 971 men died on that fateful day in November 1944. Of those around 850 have no known grave, those that do are buried at Botn-Rognan German war cemetery. As you also may know Einar Høvding bought all the German wrecks in Norwegian waters (or at least a great many of them) for 1Kr. from the Norwegian state. The Tirpitz took many years to break up, i don't have the exact year they finished but it was in the 50's, there are some small pieces left on the shore, at the wreck site itself there's wreckage on the bottom and is unfortunately a popular dive site with no protection.

I say unfortunately because human remains still lie out there and are found by divers...who don't give a damn and are only looking for goodies to plunder. The shorline today tells a sorry tale, take a walk on any day and i'll show you the uniform remains scattered about, left after divers have thrown away what they don't want to keep. I usually take a walk there a couple of times a year to see what's turned up and i have on occasion found bones, although it's a number of years ago now but still regularly find personal uniform items which were clearly being worn at the time they went in the water.

I've also heard the stories of those involved in breaking her up, of men coming home from a days work with a whole lot of watches, of some remains simply being actually interred in Tromsø itself and then simply buried deeper and built over in post-war building work.

I've even written to the German war graves commission, the answer i got was pretty much one of 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil'.


Personally i would like to see what's left of her properly declared a war grave as she should be and ban divers from removing anything more from her. But i can't see it happening, people just don't want to 'rock the boat' and anyway, who cares about a bunch of dead Germans right? they were the enemy after all :x

As for photos of her breaking up, I've seen quite a few but they belong to someone else and so i can't post any for you.


I totally agree with you on the war grave subject, it shouldnt't matter whether they were german's, Nazi's, they were only doing what they thought was right at the time. This site should be classed as a grave. I was there when i was about 14 on holiday, and i have pictures that me dad took of people diving in the area, it is a sad sight to see this happening. The funny thing about all this (not that there really is anything funny about this event) is how un Nazi the Kriegsmarine was, so they can't use that as a excuse in my book. They died fighting for what they believed in and there country, the least we could do is give them a decent grave and some respect.


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