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Eisenbahn-Batterie Gneisenau

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Post by RS 1800 » 17 Aug 2005, 19:24

Im pretty sure it was a marine battery. Can anyone confirm if this battery was first placed east of Cherbourg then moved to the Pas-de-Calais area?

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Post by jopaerya » 17 Aug 2005, 20:03

Hello RS 1800

There were 2 Eisenbahnbatteries in the Cherbourg area
first was 2 x 20,3 cm K.E. first 685 E and later renumbered
to 3/1262 at Auderville-Laye and and 722 E with 4 x 24 cm
Theodor Bruno (E) at Martinvast.
The marine Eisenbahnbatterie Gneisenau was also used in the
Sudwall at Sete

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 17 Aug 2005, 20:43

I could also add that this rail battery were also supposed to fight near Hel(Hela) in end of september 1939.
It probably had the position near Gdynia.It is not confirmed if it shoot but reported to have it's position there.
In September this battery was stationinng in East Prussia and transported to Gdynia was a difficult job-because of destroyed bridge in Tczew(Dirschau).That is why it was loaded on ferry in Tczew and transported through Vistula river.It is reported that till the end of september it took it's position near Gdynia.
In my opinion it is very likely that battery shooted to Hel.

I wonder if anyone could confirm/denay my informations

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Post by kstdk » 17 Aug 2005, 21:24

Hello

To: "RS1800"

The text to the picture reads "15cmke-rrg5" ??

Where does that fit in ?? Is it 15 cm. guns ??

The guns Jos are mentioning connected to the Batteries are 20,3 and 24 cm. !!!

And does the numbering 5 means that you have at least 4 more pictures of it ??

Here is a picture of Batterie Gneizenau at Sete - E - Batterie 4 / MAA 610 - 15 cm. L45.

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Post by jopaerya » 17 Aug 2005, 22:20

Hi @ndrew

1.10.1939
Ostsee
Die deutschen M-Boote M 4, M 111, M 132 und Nettelbeck beschießen zusammen mit Heeresbatterien und einer Marine-Eisenbahn-Batterie die Halbinsel Hela zur Vorbereitung des Infanterieangriffs. Besatzung von Hela (KAdm. Unrug) kapituliert. Letzter Widerstand an der Küste wird gebrochen. —

Info is from http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/39-10.htm

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 18 Aug 2005, 13:05

Thanks Jos

That would confirm other informations :)

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Post by RS 1800 » 18 Aug 2005, 14:56

jopaerya wrote:Hello RS 1800

There were 2 Eisenbahnbatteries in the Cherbourg area
first was 2 x 20,3 cm K.E. first 685 E and later renumbered
to 3/1262 at Auderville-Laye and and 722 E with 4 x 24 cm
Theodor Bruno (E) at Martinvast.
The marine Eisenbahnbatterie Gneisenau was also used in the
Sudwall at Sete

Regards Jos
You got me a bit confused here Jos, first, Auderville isnt that close to Le Havre? Second, Gneisenau was loacated at Cherbourg at some point during the war, right?

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Post by RS 1800 » 18 Aug 2005, 15:04

kstdk wrote:Hello

To: "RS1800"

The text to the picture reads "15cmke-rrg5" ??

Where does that fit in ?? Is it 15 cm. guns ??

The guns Jos are mentioning connected to the Batteries are 20,3 and 24 cm. !!!

And does the numbering 5 means that you have at least 4 more pictures of it ??

Here is a picture of Batterie Gneizenau at Sete - E - Batterie 4 / MAA 610 - 15 cm. L45.

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The Gneisenau battery consisted of four 15mm naval guns. If i understood Jos correcty those two batteries have nothing to do with the Gneisenau battery.

Here are a few other pictures:

Gneisenau battery
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Gneisenau battery
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Battery 655 (without armored turret)
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Battery 655
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All pictures from http://www.one35th.com

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Post by jopaerya » 18 Aug 2005, 15:56

Hello All

First Auderville is at Cap de la Haque near Cherbourg

Eisenbahnbatterie Gneisenau
10-1939 Polen (Shooting at Hela)
06-1940 Holland (IJmuiden and Hoek van Holland)
07-1940 Calais
08-1940 Cherbourg
10-1940 Pas de Calais (Pointe aux Oies near Wimereux)
...-1942 Sete

Hope that this helps you RS 1800

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Post by RS 1800 » 18 Aug 2005, 16:27

jopaerya wrote:Hello All

First Auderville is at Cap de la Haque near Cherbourg

Eisenbahnbatterie Gneisenau
10-1939 Polen (Shooting at Hela)
06-1940 Holland (IJmuiden and Hoek van Holland)
07-1940 Calais
08-1940 Cherbourg
10-1940 Pas de Calais (Pointe aux Oies near Wimereux)
...-1942 Sete

Hope that this helps you RS 1800

Regards Jos
You are so right, Auderville is on the Cotentin peninsula, my mistake. Thanks for this additional info on the batteries locations. Im really impressed with all your knowledge Jos, im really gratefull for your contributions. Do you know the exact locations at Cherbourg? There are some strange tunnels at Anse-du-Brick, just to the east of Cherbourg. These are located next to road D116, during the war this was a railroad. I was told that these tunnels was used to store ammuntion, there is also a WN on the opposite to the tunnels.

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Post by jopaerya » 18 Aug 2005, 17:37

Hi All

I don't know the exact location of the
Eisenbahnbatterie Gneisenau in Cherbourg ,
I only red in the Marinekommandant in Absch.
Normandie that is was temporary , because M.K.B.
Hamburg was planned for 10-1940, than de Gneisenau
will leave .
I have seen the tunnels at Anse-de-Brick but I don't know
if they are for ammostorage. They have a strange form ,
half round , with two big entrances .


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Post by RS 1800 » 18 Aug 2005, 17:50

jopaerya wrote:Hi All

I don't know the exact location of the
Eisenbahnbatterie Gneisenau in Cherbourg ,
I only red in the Marinekommandant in Absch.
Normandie that is was temporary , because M.K.B.
Hamburg was planned for 10-1940, than de Gneisenau
will leave .
I have seen the tunnels at Anse-de-Brick but I don't know
if they are for ammostorage. They have a strange form ,
half round , with two big entrances .


Regards Jos
Hamburg is very close to Anse-Du-Brick, so if the Gneisenau batttery was only temporary, Anse-du brick could have been a suitable position. I was in the anse-du-brick area last summer, stayed at the campsite there. I visited the tunnels and the bunker, but i couldnt figure out the purpose of the tunnels. I wonder when the bunker was built, before or after they moved the battery, probably after?

Anyway, thanks again for the info

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 18 Aug 2005, 18:34

I could add also this pic from expiried Ebay auction

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Post by RS 1800 » 18 Aug 2005, 19:23

Thanks for those great pictures

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Post by RS 1800 » 18 Aug 2005, 19:54

Found this info on a french site:

MKB 4/MAA 610 / Eis.-Batt. Gneisenau

Oberleutnant (MA) d. Res. Lieser

4x15 cm KE L/45 144 h (6 sMG, 6 lMG, 127 Gew, 9 MP), 5x2 cm Flak 30, 2x8,1 GrW, 2 Pak.


Chef de batterie non déterminé :

Oberleutnant (MA) Heinrich Menken 1943 - 9/43



Officiers de batteries:

Leutnant (MA) d. Res. Gerhard Hellwig 14/11/43 - 9/43

Oberleutnant (MA) d. Res. Karl Schnaak 14/11/43 - 9/43

Oberleutnant (MA) d. Res. Gerhard Frers 14/11/43 - 9/43

Leutnant (MA) d. Res. Georg Siebers 11/42 - 8/44

Leutnant (MA) d. Res. Mathias Böhmer ? - 13/8/44

Leutnant (MA) d. Res. Ernst Lackner 29/11/43 - 8/44

Leutnant (MA) d. Res. Dieter Scherb 10/9/43 - 8/44

Leutnant (MA) d. Res. Franz Furtner 10/12/43 - 8/44

Leutnant (MA) d. Res. Emil Schmid 7/12/43 - 8/44

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