colours and markings of pré 1938 austrian armored vehicles

[hubertlopez]

hello all, I'm not sure about this question.
did armored véhicles wear any markings (ie ADGZ) ??
the classical colour seems to be grey overall but it seems at least some ADGZ were camouflaged but what about the colours ??
at least the uniforms were the italian ones with the leather suit and helmet, is it true ???

thanks for the answers
hubert Lopez

[WilliSaenger]

At least the AGDZ in 1937/38 got a camouflage painting. There is a picture in Rolf M. Urrisk: Die Panzerfahrzeuge des österreichischen Bundesheeres.

[hubertlopez]

Hello WilliSaenger, thanks for your reply. This photo shows three colours. One very light (maybe dunkelgelb or so) and the two others very close to the same shade, one beeing the grey but the other one green or brown ????????????

are you ok with me for the uniforms and what about the markings on the ADGZ

I am going to built an ADGZ from MR Models but instead of doing the classical prinz eugen or heimwehr danzig, I prefer to build an austrian one but I won't make any error if possible

thanks
hubert

[sjashford]

My own research on the pre anschluss army suggests that, wiuth the excetion of the camouflage pattern remarked above (and described in the quoted reference work as as beingfor "Erprobungszwecken" -trial prurposes) the vehicles were in a single colour throughout their service.
I have found no specific reference to the colour. But with reference to the CV-35 in the Panzerwagenbataillon, these were painted "matten braungrunen" -matt browngreen (khaki?), and appear, to me, to be in the same tones as the ADGZ (but beware BW photo tones!).
At the time of my visit to the Heeresgeschichtlichemuseum in Vienna -summer 2008, , advertising a display on the Anschluss, outside was a LKW Typ AFL Austro Fiat in a browngreen tone which I have used as a guide for my own models - Iattach 2 colour photos.
I also attach a photo of the AFV crew uniform, from the display (sorry about reflections), but suggest that in practice, based on photos they more commonly wore a tan/sand coverall, with the leather helmet, retaining the leather for parades!

[hubertlopez]

Hello Sjashford, thank you for your answer, till then I didn't hear about a khaki colour, but why not. I'll try to contact the museum in vienna and if I get an answer I'll post it here.
thank you Sjashford

[sjashford]

Hubertlopez,
I look forward to anything you find.
I overlooked the issue of markings, possibly because no matter how hard I look at my small library of relevant photos I can find nothing - not even a registration/index number! If you do turn anything up, please do pot it for everyone's information.
Sjashford

[hubertlopez]

hello, here is the answer from Mr thomas illming from the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in wien.

"Dear Sir!

I received your request for information about the colour of the ADGZ in the Austrian pre-Anschluss army.
I regret, but I have to tell you that it is not possible to give an exact description of their colour.
We know, that the tanks of the Austrian army were painted in several different colours at this point of time, obviously NOT as a result of a certain system, but depending upon which company had delivered the various tanks, and also upon the fact that various tank divisions were trying out different variations of camouflage at this period.
We know, that the “Kommando Schnelle Division” had started to paint their ADGZ from July 1937 on with a matt brown-green, which was defined to be similar to the colour of the last tranche of the CV-35.
Please note: the definition was not, to be “exactly like”, it was “similar to”. So we have to accept, that there was obviously no standardized colour “matt brown-green” in the Austrian Army at this time, and therefore it is impossible to define it now exactly.
About the rest of the ADGZ: I have not found evidence for their exact colour. It might be, that they had a – more or less - standardized colour, but it might also be, that they were, like those of the “Kommando Schnelle Division”, part of several programs running at this period for finding new colours for camouflage.
I hope that this response is nevertheless of some help for you.
Please do not hesitate to contact me again, if you have any further questions."

I was trying to contact him again but receive no aswer till now