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[Joan Pinyol]

Dear Fontessa,

The transition from 17th Army to 8th Area Army + 17th Army + 18th Army is unclear. Do you have the order numbers and the list of units assigned for IGHQ Orders concerning to these units in late 1942?

Thanks a lot

[fontessa]

Hello Joan,

51st Division (according with extinct Lt. Amuro page) was assigned to 18th Army on 16 Nov 1942. In your list appears under 17th Army.

It my fault. The 51st Division was in the OOB of the 18th Army.

I have rechecked.
At first:
(1) 51st Division was subordinated to 17th Army by Dairikumei No. 714 dated 16 November 1942.
Then:
(2) The division was transferred to 18th Army by Dairikumei No. 729 dated 23 December 1942.

The transition from 17th Army to 8th Area Army + 17th Army + 18th Army is unclear. Do you have the order numbers and the list of units assigned for IGHQ Orders concerning to these units in late 1942?

According to page 43 of JACAR C14060908400, Dairikumei No. 714 ordered the OOBs of 8th Area Army, 17th Army and 18th Army. I have already post the OOB of 17th Army. Unfortunately I don't have the OOBs of 8th Area Army and 18th Army now.

fontessa

[hysteric]

Wow, Joan and fontessa, this is a wonderful thread! Thank you so much for your efforts.

Two questions.

I've found Army Order 362, for the China Expeditionary Army, activated September 12, 1939, operational from October 1, 1939.
Is this correct, if so when is the order dated?
If not what would the correct information be?

Order No. 82, August 31, 1937, 'North China Area Army OOB' on Joan's PDF........
Order No. 82, August 31, 1937, 'Central China Area Army was created November 7, 1937 from the Shanghai Expeditionary Army and the 10th Army.'

I'm paraphrasing from either Japanese Monograph 70 or 179 and strongly suspect the monograph in question is in error.

Thank you in advance,

hysteric

[fontessa]

Hello hysteric,

I've found Army Order 362, for the China Expeditionary Army, activated September 12, 1939, operational from October 1, 1939.
Is this correct, if so when is the order dated?
If not what would the correct information be?

It is correct. The issued date of Dairikumei No,362 which ordered the OOB of China Expeditionary Army was 23 September 1939.

Order No. 82, August 31, 1937, 'North China Area Army OOB' on Joan's PDF........
Order No. 82, August 31, 1937, 'Central China Area Army was created November 7, 1937 from the Shanghai Expeditionary Army and the 10th Army.'

Rinsanmei (The predecessor of Dairikumei) No.82 daited 31 August 1937 ordered the OOB of 'North China Area Army.
Rinsanmei No.138 dated 7 November 1937 ordered as follows.
The units below were to be added to North China Area Army and to be under the command of North China Area Army Commander Gen Matsui.
- Central China Area Army HQ
- Shanghai Expeditionary Army
- 10th Army

fontessa

[Joan Pinyol]

Much obliged, Fontessa. As usual, superb!

Hysteric, thanks a lot for your contribution.

Kind regards

Joan

[hysteric]

Hello fontessa,

I'm very grateful for the correct issue date on Dairikumei No. 362 and your information on Rinsanmei No. 82 and Rinsanmei No.138. The order of events (and my confusion) is understandable now. Many thanks!

Thank you Joan, that was kind to say.

hysteric

[fontessa]

Hello Joan,

The transition from 17th Army to 8th Area Army + 17th Army + 18th Army is unclear. Do you have the order numbers and the list of units assigned for IGHQ Orders concerning to these units in late 1942?

According to page 43 of JACAR C14060908400, Dairikumei No. 714 ordered the OOBs of 8th Area Army, 17th Army and 18th Army. I have already post the OOB of 17th Army. Unfortunately I don't have the OOBs of 8th Area Army and 18th Army now.
fontessa

The OOBs of the 8th Area Army and the 18th Army by Dairikumei No.714 were as follows.

◇ The 8th Area Army
8th Area Army HQ
17th Army
18th Army
6th Division
21st Independent Mixed Brigade (minus automobile units)
39th Independent Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion (Type “B”)
41st Independent Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion (Type “B”)
37th, 42nd Fixed Radio Units
Air units directly assigned to 8th Area Army: See Attachiment 1
Line of Communications units directly assigned to 8th Area Army: See Attachiment 2
Attachiment 1: Composition of Air units directly assigned to 8th Area Army
76th Independent Air Company (Headquarters Reconnaissance)
12th Air Brigade HQ
1st Air Regiment
11th Air Regiment
12th Air Sector Command
21st Airfield Battalion (Fighters)
22nd Airfield Battalion (Fighters)
333rd Airfield Company (Fighters)
6th Field Airfield Construction Unit
47th Airfield Battalion (Light Bombers)
Part of 48th Airfield Battalions (Headquarters Reconnaissance)
5th Air Signal Regiment (minus 1 wire and 1 radio companies)
Navigation aid company of 1st Air Intelligence Unit
81st Land Duty Company
Attachiment 2: Composition of Line of communications units directly assigned to 8th Area Army
6th Line of Communications Sector Units
38th Independent Motor Transport Battalion
2nd Independent Transport Regiment
3rd Independent Transport Regiment
21st Field Duty Units HQ
96th Land Duty Company
7th Land Transport Unit, Imperial Guards
9th Land Transport Unit, 8th Division
31st, 35th, 49th, 51st, 55th and 61st Sea Duty Companies
7th Field Construction Unit HQ
49th, 51st, 55th and 61st Construction Duty Companies
14th Field Post Unit
103rd Line of Communications Hospital
63rd and 64th Casualty Clearing platoons
24th Field Water Supply and Purification Department
16th Lin of Communications Veterinary Hospital

◇ The 18th Army
Nankai Detachment: See Attachment 3
41st Infantry Regiment
15th Independent Engineer Regiment (Type “A”)
4th Independent Engineer Company (Heavy River Crossing)
1st Bridging Materials Company (Packed Horse)
3rd Signal Regiment (minus 1 company)
4th, 5th 7th and 8th Independent Radio Platoons
45th and 46th Fixed Radio Units
Attachiment 3: Compsition of Nankai Detachment
55th Infantry Group HQ
144th Infantry Regiment
3rd Company and 1 rapid firing gun platoon , 55th Calvary Regiment
1st Battalion, 55th Mountain Artillery Regiment
1st Company and part of Material Platoon, 55th Engineer Regiment
Part of 55th Division Signal Unit
2nd Company, 55th Transport Regiment
Part of 55th Division Medical Unit
1st Filed Hospital, 55th Division
Part of 55th Division Veterinary Hospital
Part of 55th Division Water Supply and Purification Department
47th Field Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion (Minus 1 company)

fontessa　

[Joan Pinyol]

Dear Fontessa,

Thanks a lot.

Kind regards

[Wellgunde]

Fontessa and Joan, thank you.