German oil production

[darringm]

in 43 the ger produ8ced 8.9 million tons of oil this number includes both imports and syn fuel prodcuion. in 44 it declined by 30%. this proves that rumoian oil fields which they lost in late 43 was not extremly important for ger.

[pugsville]

Even if so. Something ,limiting your economy to 70% is very significant factor. I have some figures somewhere, but I dnt know where.

Also have you got the figures for oil reserves? If use in 44 was boosted by significant reserves compared tp 43, (or the figures can be the other way I have no idea) but could be a factor thats taken into account either way.

[mescal]

No, it proves nothing.
Not unless you can prove that the German demand was inferior to this supply quantity.

BTW, what is the source for the 8.9 millions tons ?

And could you please make an effort with spelling ?

[Marcus Wendel]

darringm,

Please post in the correct section, the "WW2 in general" is not the section to post everything, only the few issues that cover several different aspects of the war which for example threads on German oil production or Russian supply issues does not.

/Marcus

[darringm]

Even if so. Something ,limiting your economy to 70% is very significant factor. I have some figures somewhere, but I dnt know where.

Also have you got the figures for oil reserves? If use in 44 was boosted by significant reserves compared tp 43, (or the figures can be the other way I have no idea) but could be a factor thats taken into account either way.

both the german oil production figures come from normandy 1944 by nicklas zetterling.

[Gorque]

Adam Tooze in Wages of Destruction reports on page 648 the "The supply of oil from Romania - an absolute precondition for the continuation of large-scale mobile warfare - was cut off by April 1944." Table A2 in the Supplementary Data appendix lists the following quantities for 'Fuel hydration, oil drilling and benzol': 1943, 5,149,000 tons; 1944, 4,018,000 tons. (Statistisches Handbuch von Deutschland; Statisches Jahrbuch fuer das Deutsches Reich (various); R. Wagerfuehr, Die deutsche Industrie im Kriege)

I hope this helps.

[darringm]

Adam Tooze in Wages of Destruction reports on page 648 the "The supply of oil from Romania - an absolute precondition for the continuation of large-scale mobile warfare - was cut off by April 1944." Table A2 in the Supplementary Data appendix lists the following quantities for 'Fuel hydration, oil drilling and benzol': 1943, 5,149,000 tons; 1944, 4,018,000 tons. (Statistisches Handbuch von Deutschland; Statisches Jahrbuch fuer das Deutsches Reich (various); R. Wagerfuehr, Die deutsche Industrie im Kriege)

I hope this helps.

it was 8.9 millon tons in 43 and 6.4 millon tons in 44 accoding to page 47 of the above referance.

[mescal]

The 8.9 million tons for 1943 makes sense.
But the 6.4 for 1944 seems too much.
See the data posted by Art in this post.
(there is probably a typo in the "Totals" line for 1944 which should read 5788 instead of 5554)

Note that, according to these data, the Germany-produced quantities for 1943 and 44 were respectively 6536 and 4684.
And the 852,000 tons imported in 1944 strongly suggest that the Romanian imports did not end in "late 43", but in the spring or summer of 1944 : the only other non-occupied country which exported oil to Germany was Hungary, and I do not see how the Hungarian fields could have reached such a production to export almost a million ton by 1944.


And to give a bit of context : in 1944, the UK imported more than 20 million tons of petroleum products (and this does not count the oil delivered directly to North Africa or France after the summer). And the USA alone produced more than 200 million tons.

[Jon G.]

What does Zetterling give as reference for his figures? It seems that many, many figures for WW2 German production come from Wagenführ, although those figures themselves are wrought with the potential for error and in many cases can't be verified. See Tooze for a discussion of that.

Two other oil threads:

Why was Germany short on oil
viewtopic.php?f=66&t=35176

Germany and Oil
viewtopic.php?f=66&t=78524

[Urmel]

http://www.sturmvogel.orbat.com/ussbsoil.html

[ljadw]

The following is from"Strategic attacks on the German oil industry"(I used rough figures)
1940 :production :crude :1.4 million tons synthetic:3.2 import:2.1
1941: crude :1.6 synthetic:3.9 import :2.8
1942:crude :1.7 synthetic :4.6 import :2.3
1943:crude:1.9 synthetic :5.6 import :2.8
1944:crude :1.6 synthetic :3.8 import :1
As this subject has been already discussed, I will let it go at that .
PS :I am the last to be able to complain about the readableness of a post,but,maybe it would be better to write out the words and not to use some personal,mysterious abbrevations.

[RichTO90]

both the german oil production figures come from normandy 1944 by nicklas zetterling.

I'm curious...what page might that have been on?

[darringm]

even if you use the us bomber survey statistics for ger oil produntion. it stars with 7.5 million in 43 and dropos by 30% too 5.4 millon in 44.

if you use art's correted tabler data from onoter topic for ger oil production. it stars with 9.0 millon tons in 43 and drops by 35% to 5.8 millon in 44.

the west needed to produce more oil than ger since they had a lot more aircraft tanks and ships to fuel up.

my oil prodution numbers come from niklas zetterlings normandy 1944 book p 47.

[mescal]

even if you use the us bomber survey statistics for ger oil produntion. it stars with 7.5 million in 43 and dropos by 30% too 5.4 millon in 44.
if you use art's correted tabler data from onoter topic for ger oil production. it stars with 9.0 millon tons in 43 and drops by 35% to 5.8 millon in 44.

And how does this prove your initial claim that "rumoian oil fields which they lost in late 43 was not extremly important for ger." ?

the west needed to produce more oil than ger since they had a lot more aircraft tanks and ships to fuel up.

Well, it's perhaps better to look it the other way : Germany was so constrained by its fuel supply that it simply could not envision, plan for and implement the kind of modern mechanized warfare that the Allied compelled it to fight.

[BillHermann]

Just because it's in a book does not mean its right. Stephen Ambrose comes to mind.