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ChristopherPerrien wrote:I knew a little about JY 44 from Galland's book But I did not know anything about other units and their pilots.
From other sites I have heard about 1200 were built of which only about 300 flew, Still don't know how many of those flew as fighters or didn't because of Hitler's stupid "Blitzbomber idea."
JG 7 450 victories in two months with the fuel shortage as it was, sounds pretty astounding. Is there anywhere to read up on this?
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ChristopherPerrien wrote:From other sites I have heard about 1200 were built of which only about 300 flew, Still don't know how many of those flew as fighters or didn't because of Hitler's stupid "Blitzbomber idea."
Whatever the tactics used, the sheer number of allied planes involved made the jet attacks almost irrelevant. For instance, on March 18th III./JG 7 sent up 37 Me 262s to engage a force of 1,221 American bombers and 632 escorting fighters. This action marked the first time the new R4M rockets were used by the Me 262. In the end 12 bombers and 1 fighter were claimed with the loss of 3 Me 262s. Even on their biggest day, JG 7 flew 38 sorties, knocking down 14 US and British bombers and 2 fighters with a loss of 4 Me 262s. Their best efforts yielded less than a 1% loss for the Allies. Thus, we see the pattern that marked most German efforts in the latter part of the war. The Germans had many effective weapons but they were no match for the overwhelming Allied numerical superiority.
On April 9, 1945, the testpilot Hans Guido Mutke (Privat, 24 yrs.), during training with the Luftwaffe, climbed a regular Me 262. After reaching 11.000m he recognized a Kamerad who was in trouble with a British Spitfire.
After a full-speed dive at 40 degrees.... his bird seemed to get fist-punched. "It rattled and banged, I crashed my head on the cockpit glass" he recalls -losing control of the flight control surfaces momentarily he eventually managed to level out and returned to the airfield.
(His Kamerad meanwhile had managed to shoot down the Spit.) "The Messerschmidt was definately supersonic for about 7 sec." ,he claims. "It was just like being hit over the head with 'Thor's Hammer'
According to Dr.Otto Wagner, professor of aviation mechanics at the Technical University in Munich, the Me 262 was generally certainly capable of supersonic speed!
The archives of the "Wright-Patterson Field" in Dayton (Ohio)USA, have an old Me 262 Handbook, On page 13 it says thats .... "at a soft dive of 20-30 degrees" the Me 262 reaches a speed of 950 km/h. ", At around 1.000 km/h controls fail". "
Prof.Karl Dötsch (age 90 years) a former employee of the German Aviation Research Institute in Berlin-Adlershof adds that in 1944 he was called into a secret project. He started research on mysterious incidents of the 262 - loss of stability and flight control - which, during a subsequent test-flight he caused his 262 to duplicate the loss of controls while buffeting.
At Mach 0.85 the wings started vibrating and flapping, the flightstick became immoveable and only with a pressure of 70 Kp the plane could be levelled out.
So, who is it? Who went supersonic first? 24 year old Privat Hans Guido Mutke, (1945) in a desperate attempt to help his partner?..... or was it Col Pete Everest in his YF-100 (Super Sabre) at Edwards AFB (1953) ?
"With the firepower concentrated in its nose and consisting of four 30 mm cannons, it was truly awesome. It could chew through a wing of a B-17 Flying Fortress in one burst." - Oberleutnant Franz Stigler, JV-44
believe Me-262's broke the sound barrier. The way most of the accounts read they seem "Honest". On similar note I have heard a story of a P-47 in a dive doing the same thing ( pilot interview on TV). Go figure!!!!!!
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