Tobruk with italian tank turret

[jory]

http://97185.aceboard.fr/97185-3169-708 ... k-quot.htm

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[jopaerya]

Hi

Sorry no info on the Bauform 243 with Pz.Kpfw. M 42 (i)
with a 3,7 cm Kw.K. , but there is in the book Panzer
Tracts No 21-1 , a photo and a drawing of the Bauform
249 with the Pz.Kpfw. P 40 (i) with the a German 7,5 cm
Kw.K. L/24 and a M.G. 42 . The panzerturm were planned
for the "Voralpen-Stellung" in northern Italy .

Regards Jos

[jopaerya]

Hello All

Found this blurry picture on a Russian internetsite ( Narod.ru ) looks a Italian tank turret
with a original gun and not the German 7.5 cm KwK L/24 ??

Regards Jos

[Umberto Gorena]

Hi Jos

Yes, the "russian" photo is P40 turret with its own original gun,
and is very interesting.


Bregds. SGM Gorena


Climb to Glory

[Umberto Gorena]

Hi Jos

Sorry for this second post, the gun is a 75/34 but
I'm not be able to tell you at this time the name
of the firm producing the gun, baybe the Ansaldi itself.

Bregds SGM Gorena

Climb to Glory

[searay]

Here's a photo of the prototype with KwK at the Hillersleben proving ground. These facilities were visited by a US Army Ordnance team, but I have never found a report of the inspection other than the photos.

[Andrzej Ditrich]

Here's a photo of the prototype with KwK at the Hillersleben proving ground. These facilities were visited by a US Army Ordnance team, but I have never found a report of the inspection other than the photos.

MHI has complete set of photos from Hillersleben.

Brgds
@ndrew

[searay]

The MHI collection at Carlisle Barracks does not have a report on the tank turret fortifications at Hillersleben. The photos are simply part of a larger photo collection by one of the Ordnance officers who was part of the team at Hillersleben (and other locations).

[Andrzej Ditrich]

Correct-I mentioned about set of photos-not about reports.
This officer was responsible for enemy ordnance matters
Unfortunetly MHI is not so open and liberal as NARA...

Brgds
@ndrew

[JKernwerk]

I believe we have seen some of the pictures made by one of the american team here on the forum.
On these pictures we could see the Tobruks, prototype shells, a Minenraumer, some targets and bunkers.
Greetings Jack.

[kstdk]

Hello

Jack - thats correct:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=94233

Regards
Kurt
kstdk

[searay]

BTW, the emplaced P 40 were probably not the turrets, but the whole tank. German sources indicate that 101 P 40s were completed (13 complete and 11 without engines in 1943, and 48 complete and 29 without engines in 1944-45). The 40 engine-less tanks were emplaced in the fortified lines along the coast in Tuscany and in the Gothic Line. Some of these were dug into the ground, while others were deployed behind walls or creek embankments.

[patrick fleuridas]

Hi
Bauform 242 (67 alt) is number for F.Pz.DT 4815. For tank turret M 42(i) with 4,7 cm L/40.
Bauform 243 is number for russian tank turret T 70.
Patrick

[jopaerya]

Hi Searay

That is a very good option . just like a few damaged Pz.Kpfw IV
Panther of the I./4 were used for the same purpose in Italy .

Regards Jos

[jopaerya]

Hi Patrick

You are right

Regards Jos