Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers
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Thanks Oliver
For your quick reply .
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For your quick reply .
Regards Jos
Re: Flakturm und Luftschutz bunkers
Here a other model of the Bauart Winkel Luftschutzbunker in Gelsenkirchen ( Buer Scholven oil plant ) from Ebay .
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Again two smaller Winkel Lüftzschutz towers on a Ebay picture .
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Nice photo
Mayby its Zossen?
Mayby its Zossen?
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The exact same thought popped into my mind Andrzej!
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Hello Tønnes
In Zossen bunkers has 3-tone camouflage:
http://www.thirdreichruins.com/winkelturm12a.jpg
In Zossen bunkers has 3-tone camouflage:
http://www.thirdreichruins.com/winkelturm12a.jpg
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I had the same thought as soon as I saw that ebay photo ... must be Zossen. There was a line of Winkeltürme behind (to the left in this view) the one in my photo from 2012 ... could have been this same tower in the period photo, or another one in that line of towers. There are (I believe) 19 Winkeltürme at Zossen, most blown up, but several still standing ... I did not visit every last one (no time that day).
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Which one do You mean?Geoff Walden wrote:I had the same thought as soon as I saw that ebay photo ... must be Zossen. There was a line of Winkeltürme behind (to the left in this view) the one in my photo from 2012 ... could have been this same tower in the period photo, or another one in that line of towers. There are (I believe) 19 Winkeltürme at Zossen, most blown up, but several still standing ... I did not visit every last one (no time that day).
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Well, the one in your last photo is (I believe) the same one in the link you posted from my webpage, where there are also others shown.
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According to the Ebay photo caption it should be a Luftschutz bunker in Frankfurt .
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Gents,
Anyone here who knows how many degrees below horizontal the 128 mm guns at the Zoo flak tower in Berlin could be lowered? Reason for my question is that several historians (i.e. Le Tissier) describe how the guns engaged ground targets during the Battle for Berlin. Initially, targets in the suburbs were engaged, but during the final battle even tanks on the Molkte Bridge, just some 2.8 km away allegedly were destroyed by the heavy Zoo guns.
In order to find the distance "C", and thus the minimum range of fire we need to know the angle "b". Any bids on that?
Dan
Anyone here who knows how many degrees below horizontal the 128 mm guns at the Zoo flak tower in Berlin could be lowered? Reason for my question is that several historians (i.e. Le Tissier) describe how the guns engaged ground targets during the Battle for Berlin. Initially, targets in the suburbs were engaged, but during the final battle even tanks on the Molkte Bridge, just some 2.8 km away allegedly were destroyed by the heavy Zoo guns.
In order to find the distance "C", and thus the minimum range of fire we need to know the angle "b". Any bids on that?
Dan
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Hmm, just got the book "The heavy Flak guns" by Werner Müller from the library. It appears that the Flakzwilling 40 in standard mounting could muster a negative elevation of -3 degres. Angle b in the example is thus 87 degrees. If that was the case in the Zoo Tower mounting too, the gun would be able to hit targets as close as 2000 meters and Molkte bridge was thus well within range.
I never would have thought that, but you learn ever day I guess
I never would have thought that, but you learn ever day I guess
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Hmmm - I've just checked a couple of books and the lowest 12,8 cm Flakzwilling 40 elevation is usually given as 0 degrees.
Anyway, one also has to remember, that the gun was capable of indirect fire only, as it had no provision for optical sight.
Anyway, one also has to remember, that the gun was capable of indirect fire only, as it had no provision for optical sight.
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Hello,
After german wartime technical documents -3° is correct.
A different document gives the Z.F.20 E as optical sight for direct fire but I have never seen it on a 12,8 so far.
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After german wartime technical documents -3° is correct.
A different document gives the Z.F.20 E as optical sight for direct fire but I have never seen it on a 12,8 so far.
Best regards
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I think that behind this concept could be such photo(s) with destroyed Soviet tank nearby Flak tower. First photo shows why it could be done.