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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 23 Sep 2013, 02:58

I think these are french 100 mm m1930 in cad m1931 twin mounts as emplaced by the French navy at Niolon Haut to defend the naval base at Toulon.

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Post by jopaerya » 23 Sep 2013, 21:32

My French is not so good but these twin guns could be planned for the Jean Bart ??
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Post by dirk Peeters » 23 Sep 2013, 21:41

Yes Jos you are right they were intended for the Jean bart

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Post by Manuferey » 24 Sep 2013, 00:00

ROLAND1369 wrote:I think these are french 100 mm m1930 in cad m1931 twin mounts as emplaced by the French navy at Niolon Haut to defend the naval base at Toulon.
There is "Brest" written on the back of the pictures of the ebay series. :wink:

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 24 Sep 2013, 14:59

If these are indeed the 100 mm models, these guns were not designed specificly for the Jean Bart but were planned for the cruiser Dupleix but were not ready in time. They were already in use on the Cruiser Algerie and reconstructed Battleshp Lorraine prior to the war. During construction it was decided to not install the two wing mounted 152 MM triple dual purpose turrets planned for the Jean Bart and Richelieu and replace them with 100 MM dual mounts. On the Richlieu the weapons were taken from the BB Loraine, 4 mounts, and the land based battery at Niolon, 2 mounts, (Marseille not Toulon as I said early). The posting of Brest on the back of the photo is a fact of which I was unaware I would not ignore but in the absence of other evidence I have developed a deep distrust of wartime captions.

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 24 Sep 2013, 15:37

Having restudied the photo I feel that I was in error. Looking at the fuze setter in the picture it more closely resembles the 90 mm m1926. In addition the fact that the 100 mm from Marsailles makes it impossible for a german sailor to be standind next to them. This is however the first I have heard of land based French twin naval AA at Brest. I freely admit I am far from an expert and possel vey limited documention on the area.

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Post by haxtur » 12 Oct 2013, 13:11

I found this photo in ebay.de, what artillery piece is this one?. The caption says geschütz in the westwall.
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by peeved » 12 Oct 2013, 13:33

Belgian 120 mm FRC M1931 / 12 cm K 370 (b),

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Post by na4222 » 12 Oct 2013, 13:34

12cm Kanone 370(b) - Canon de 120 L mle 1931. Captured by the Germans from the Belgians. It is not clear from the picture that the gun is in use by the Germans (unless of course none of these guns were used by the Belgians in coastal emplacements prior to the German invasion of Belgium; any input here would be greatly appreciated) and it is mostly likely being used as part of the atlantikwall.

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Post by schwarzermai » 15 Oct 2013, 11:53

hello

any idea? pic from ebay....

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Post by Janef » 15 Oct 2013, 15:23

na4222 wrote:12cm Kanone 370(b) - Canon de 120 L mle 1931. Captured by the Germans from the Belgians. It is not clear from the picture that the gun is in use by the Germans (unless of course none of these guns were used by the Belgians in coastal emplacements prior to the German invasion of Belgium; any input here would be greatly appreciated) and it is mostly likely being used as part of the atlantikwall.

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The number 889 on the RH limber indicates HKB 889, that is HKB Vesteröen outside Sandefjord in Norway. Date of the picture probably late summer 1941.

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 15 Oct 2013, 19:09

schwarzermai wrote:hello

any idea? pic from ebay....

uwe

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Hi Uwe

They look British, possibly BEF weapons. The small gun in the centre is either a 18pdr MkIV or a 25pdr MkI. The big one behind it looks like a 6inch Heavy Gun. In the background they look like 8 inch howizters. The gun in the forground is either a 6inch gun or a 8 inch howitzer.

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Post by schwarzermai » 16 Oct 2013, 08:46

hello clive, thank you very much! Uwe
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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 21 Oct 2013, 12:14

Hi all,

Any idea?? French ??

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Re: Unknow gun

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Post by Schorschl » 21 Oct 2013, 13:33

Hello Sturm78,
Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

Any idea?? French ??
(...)
...first question: Yes!
Second question : No!

It's a destroyed British Ordnance Q.F. 3 inch, 20 cwt. Some of these guns were captured by the Germans during operation "Dynamo" and later used under designation 7,5 cm Flak Vickers (e).

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