2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
Hello All
Who can help me with a good photo or a drawing of the underside of the
2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 used as light flak mostly in H.K.B. in Norway , France
and maybe other parts . The photo's that I found are only of the upperpart
of the gun and I want to know how it was fixed in a bettung did they have a
iron or concrete pivot . Thanks in advance .
Photo's = A. Chazette and Ebay.de
Regards Jos
Who can help me with a good photo or a drawing of the underside of the
2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 used as light flak mostly in H.K.B. in Norway , France
and maybe other parts . The photo's that I found are only of the upperpart
of the gun and I want to know how it was fixed in a bettung did they have a
iron or concrete pivot . Thanks in advance .
Photo's = A. Chazette and Ebay.de
Regards Jos
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2,0 cm Flak
Jos,
the usual configuration for 2,0 cm Flak 30/38 was on a tripod with removable wheels, like in the foto's below (Waffen-Arsenal Band 142). In (semi-)fixed positions this resulted in a concrete or wooden raised triangle-shaped platform. This seems to be the standard for Luftwaffe Flak Stellen.
However, the foto's you posted show some kind of Sockel-lafette, which I would normally associate with the Marine. The Sockel would be bolted in it's position. I'll try to produce some pictures of those too.
Rgds, René D.
the usual configuration for 2,0 cm Flak 30/38 was on a tripod with removable wheels, like in the foto's below (Waffen-Arsenal Band 142). In (semi-)fixed positions this resulted in a concrete or wooden raised triangle-shaped platform. This seems to be the standard for Luftwaffe Flak Stellen.
However, the foto's you posted show some kind of Sockel-lafette, which I would normally associate with the Marine. The Sockel would be bolted in it's position. I'll try to produce some pictures of those too.
Rgds, René D.
Thanks Rene and Grzesio
The 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 flak on the photo were original used in recon-
naisssance cars, halftacks and light tanks in the Hängelafette 38 .
But I don't know if the Hängelafette 38 also used on the guns on the
pictures , I do know that 2 cm Hängelafette was used in the Ringstand
Bauform 259 .
Regards Jos
The 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 flak on the photo were original used in recon-
naisssance cars, halftacks and light tanks in the Hängelafette 38 .
But I don't know if the Hängelafette 38 also used on the guns on the
pictures , I do know that 2 cm Hängelafette was used in the Ringstand
Bauform 259 .
Regards Jos
Jos,
Generally there were two types of 2 cm KwK + MG installation in armoured cars (etc.) with open turrets - the Sockellafette used by the SdKfz 222 and the 2 cm Haengelafette 38 used by SdKfz 234/1, SdKfz 250/9 etc. The basic difference was that the Sockellafette had a pedestal (what a surprise! ) bolted to the vehicle frame, i.e. literally standing on the floor, while the turret acted as a protective armour only - it was not a structural part of the mount, and in the case of Haengelafette the cradle was actually mounted with trunnions to the turret walls, i.e. the turret acted as the upper carriage.
That's why these guns in the photos cannot rather be mounted in Haengelaffete.
Regards
Grzesio
Generally there were two types of 2 cm KwK + MG installation in armoured cars (etc.) with open turrets - the Sockellafette used by the SdKfz 222 and the 2 cm Haengelafette 38 used by SdKfz 234/1, SdKfz 250/9 etc. The basic difference was that the Sockellafette had a pedestal (what a surprise! ) bolted to the vehicle frame, i.e. literally standing on the floor, while the turret acted as a protective armour only - it was not a structural part of the mount, and in the case of Haengelafette the cradle was actually mounted with trunnions to the turret walls, i.e. the turret acted as the upper carriage.
That's why these guns in the photos cannot rather be mounted in Haengelaffete.
Regards
Grzesio
Hello All
This looks like some part of the pivot of the 2 cm Kw.K. and a 60 cm searchlight .
Thanks to Thomas and Erik E. found in Norway at H.K.B. Taarnvik
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/topic451.html
Regards Jos
This looks like some part of the pivot of the 2 cm Kw.K. and a 60 cm searchlight .
Thanks to Thomas and Erik E. found in Norway at H.K.B. Taarnvik
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/topic451.html
Regards Jos
Re: 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
Hello All
This is a picture of the 2 cm KwK at the Belgiam coast must be in one of the H.K.B. , please
note also the small 10 rounds magazine i.s.o. the normal 2 cm Flak 20 rounds magazine .
Photo = Dirk Peeters
Regards Jos
This is a picture of the 2 cm KwK at the Belgiam coast must be in one of the H.K.B. , please
note also the small 10 rounds magazine i.s.o. the normal 2 cm Flak 20 rounds magazine .
Photo = Dirk Peeters
Regards Jos
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Re: 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
Hello
Another pivot for a 2 cm K.w.K30/38 Flak. Seems to be in good condition.
regards
stril
Another pivot for a 2 cm K.w.K30/38 Flak. Seems to be in good condition.
regards
stril
Re: 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
Hello Stril
Thats a great photo, do you have any pictures from the other side by any chance?
Is it near you?
Regards
Kevin
222 enthusiast
Wellington
New Zealand
Thats a great photo, do you have any pictures from the other side by any chance?
Is it near you?
Regards
Kevin
222 enthusiast
Wellington
New Zealand
Re: 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
Didnt take that much pictures. If interested i can take some from the other side next time im there, should be in a couple of weeks.Thats a great photo, do you have any pictures from the other side by any chance?
Is it near you?
regards
stril
Re: 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
Hello,
as i am working on an sdkfz 222 where the Sockellafette is missing i am lloking for reference pictures and drawings with Measurements.
Ofcourse anyone who has originalparts for Sale is also welcome to help
Looking forward on youre Info and offers.
Regards,
Eddy
as i am working on an sdkfz 222 where the Sockellafette is missing i am lloking for reference pictures and drawings with Measurements.
Ofcourse anyone who has originalparts for Sale is also welcome to help
Looking forward on youre Info and offers.
Regards,
Eddy
Re: 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
Hello,
i am still looking for such an Original Sockellafette for my sdkfz 222.
SO if anyone has original Parts in any condition please offer.
German, English and Dutch spoken!!!
Thank you.
Regards
i am still looking for such an Original Sockellafette for my sdkfz 222.
SO if anyone has original Parts in any condition please offer.
German, English and Dutch spoken!!!
Thank you.
Regards
Re: 2 cm K.w.K. 30/38 Flak
A very nice picture of this gun , mainly used by H.K.B. in the Atlantikwall .
From a complete photobook http://cgi.ebay.de/Fotoalbum-Norwegen-M ... 3cb990bced
Regards Jos
From a complete photobook http://cgi.ebay.de/Fotoalbum-Norwegen-M ... 3cb990bced
Regards Jos
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