15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by jopaerya » 24 Oct 2007, 21:10

Hello All

Who can help me with this , according to documents
the gun on this photo is a 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL .
Strange is that the most 15 cm S.K. C/28 guns were
used the 15 cm M.P.L. C/28 and were also lower of
profile . I only knew that the M.K.B. Brommy and La Coubre
used the V.P.L. . Who has heard more of these VPL lafette's ?

Photo = Ebay.de

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Post by fortrees44 » 25 Oct 2007, 21:03

Hello Jos,

According the book "Naval Weapons of WW2" from John Campbell, this gun was mounted for coast defence in KstMPLC/36 mountings as you mentioned in your post, and it doesn't mention the VLP.


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Post by jopaerya » 25 Oct 2007, 21:10

Thanks José

For the information , I found in the book "Unterichtstafeln fur Geschutzkunde"
the 15 cm M.P.L.C/28 and the 15 cm TL. C/36 both with a gunhouse .

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Post by jopaerya » 29 Oct 2007, 21:19

Hi Again

No one vere heard of this ???

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by jopaerya » 10 Feb 2009, 17:37

Hello All

A French Connection told me it could be Vorder Pivot Lafette = V.P.L. ???
any other idea's what it means and what is a good tranlation of Vorder = front ??

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by Saska » 10 Feb 2009, 18:03

Hello Jos

VPL is realy the short cut of Vorderpiovtlafette.

Vorder= Front

Pivot= The bolt of the gun carrige. It is the point or better the bolt around the whole gun carrige is turning around

Lafette= The gun carrige

That means, that this system is having the "Turning point" not in the middle, under the gun carrige. It is in front of the frontside of the whole gun carrige. I hope you can follow?

It is a quite old system from the time before 1900 and I am very surprised to hear that it was still in use those time, because it was very difficult to use and not possible to turn 360 degrees around and of course shoot.

So far what I can say

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by AvB » 10 Feb 2009, 18:04

Has it something to do with the open emplacements of La Coubre West?

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by jopaerya » 10 Feb 2009, 20:19

Hello Gents

Thanks for your reply's , especially Saska for the clear explication , you
can see on the photo the huge mounting and the "turning point" in front
of the gun so not as the "Mittel Pivot Lafette" .

Photo = Alain Chazette

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by Saska » 11 Feb 2009, 17:01

Hello Jos

Thats exactly an old Vorderpivotlafette what we see. Unfortunatly in your question I could see a picture, like you mentioned there might one, so it would had been even more easier.

Anyway, I very surprised to see that they realy used such an old crap with those days modern naval guns. Jesus....
Well the barrel as we see is the typical naval 15 cm, because there is the little shield of the front protection around the barrel in the middle part, what came original from the use in the gun installation on ships.

The crapy gun carrige is realy much older, it belongs in the time before WW I or even before 1900. To use that carriage it realy means work. Everything is pure handwork and it needs at least three men or more to turn the gun in side position and also one or two for the elevation. Loading by hand. So all togheter we can not speak from fire rate at all!

The most of the weight of the whole systhem is in the back part, what is supported on little pairs of rolls, which are running in rail. Thats why it is so heavy to move.
At the Mittelpivotlafette the weight is more or less devided on every side and so handeling is easier. That is the reason why the VPL had been normaly taken out of use long before the WW II.

Well, back to this glory part of german gun construction. I dont know the La Coubre battery and from the picture it is not clear to see, but is it possible that it had been a old french gun position already before the german use?

If that is the case, so the reason for the use of this "antik" stuff must be pure lack of modern gun carriges by the german army. And maybe the position there was not so important or there were also other batteries with better guns in the close area. As I said I am not familiar with the area there.

Anyway very interesting question and facts, thank you for it.

All the best

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Feb 2009, 12:27

Hello All

Does anyone have idea were these mountings ( V.P.L. ) came from ?? , the mountings are AFAIK not from French coastbatteries . Typical is also that the M 272 from M.K.B. Brommy ( Cherbourg ) has a very deep gunpit to
accomodate the large V.P.L .

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by stril » 14 Feb 2009, 15:56

Hello
Added a link with some exercirreglement for older guns, with quite a few pivots mentioned.
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http://members.surfeu.at/wefalck/mariti ... graphy.pdf

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by jopaerya » 12 Jul 2009, 20:27

Hello

Here a document that the guns from Brommy were transferred to Landemer on the other side of Cherbourg in 1944 .
That why this photo of M.K.B. Landemer has the same special gunhouse as the one at La Coubre West .

Photo = Ebay de and Alain Chazette

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Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 14 Jul 2009, 08:52

Hi,

here are two other photos from Ebay.

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by Sturm78 » 29 Jul 2009, 11:21

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. I think it's possible that the gun could be a 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL coastal gun firing, but it is difficult to ensure.

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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL

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Post by jopaerya » 20 Sep 2010, 19:46

From Beeldbank.nl a other photo from the 15 cm S.K.C/28 in V.P.L. must be at M.K.B.La Coubre West

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