15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello All
Who can help me with this , according to documents
the gun on this photo is a 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL .
Strange is that the most 15 cm S.K. C/28 guns were
used the 15 cm M.P.L. C/28 and were also lower of
profile . I only knew that the M.K.B. Brommy and La Coubre
used the V.P.L. . Who has heard more of these VPL lafette's ?
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
Who can help me with this , according to documents
the gun on this photo is a 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL .
Strange is that the most 15 cm S.K. C/28 guns were
used the 15 cm M.P.L. C/28 and were also lower of
profile . I only knew that the M.K.B. Brommy and La Coubre
used the V.P.L. . Who has heard more of these VPL lafette's ?
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello All
A French Connection told me it could be Vorder Pivot Lafette = V.P.L. ???
any other idea's what it means and what is a good tranlation of Vorder = front ??
Regards Jos
A French Connection told me it could be Vorder Pivot Lafette = V.P.L. ???
any other idea's what it means and what is a good tranlation of Vorder = front ??
Regards Jos
Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello Jos
VPL is realy the short cut of Vorderpiovtlafette.
Vorder= Front
Pivot= The bolt of the gun carrige. It is the point or better the bolt around the whole gun carrige is turning around
Lafette= The gun carrige
That means, that this system is having the "Turning point" not in the middle, under the gun carrige. It is in front of the frontside of the whole gun carrige. I hope you can follow?
It is a quite old system from the time before 1900 and I am very surprised to hear that it was still in use those time, because it was very difficult to use and not possible to turn 360 degrees around and of course shoot.
So far what I can say
Saska
VPL is realy the short cut of Vorderpiovtlafette.
Vorder= Front
Pivot= The bolt of the gun carrige. It is the point or better the bolt around the whole gun carrige is turning around
Lafette= The gun carrige
That means, that this system is having the "Turning point" not in the middle, under the gun carrige. It is in front of the frontside of the whole gun carrige. I hope you can follow?
It is a quite old system from the time before 1900 and I am very surprised to hear that it was still in use those time, because it was very difficult to use and not possible to turn 360 degrees around and of course shoot.
So far what I can say
Saska
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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Has it something to do with the open emplacements of La Coubre West?
Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello Gents
Thanks for your reply's , especially Saska for the clear explication , you
can see on the photo the huge mounting and the "turning point" in front
of the gun so not as the "Mittel Pivot Lafette" .
Photo = Alain Chazette
Regards Jos
Thanks for your reply's , especially Saska for the clear explication , you
can see on the photo the huge mounting and the "turning point" in front
of the gun so not as the "Mittel Pivot Lafette" .
Photo = Alain Chazette
Regards Jos
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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello Jos
Thats exactly an old Vorderpivotlafette what we see. Unfortunatly in your question I could see a picture, like you mentioned there might one, so it would had been even more easier.
Anyway, I very surprised to see that they realy used such an old crap with those days modern naval guns. Jesus....
Well the barrel as we see is the typical naval 15 cm, because there is the little shield of the front protection around the barrel in the middle part, what came original from the use in the gun installation on ships.
The crapy gun carrige is realy much older, it belongs in the time before WW I or even before 1900. To use that carriage it realy means work. Everything is pure handwork and it needs at least three men or more to turn the gun in side position and also one or two for the elevation. Loading by hand. So all togheter we can not speak from fire rate at all!
The most of the weight of the whole systhem is in the back part, what is supported on little pairs of rolls, which are running in rail. Thats why it is so heavy to move.
At the Mittelpivotlafette the weight is more or less devided on every side and so handeling is easier. That is the reason why the VPL had been normaly taken out of use long before the WW II.
Well, back to this glory part of german gun construction. I dont know the La Coubre battery and from the picture it is not clear to see, but is it possible that it had been a old french gun position already before the german use?
If that is the case, so the reason for the use of this "antik" stuff must be pure lack of modern gun carriges by the german army. And maybe the position there was not so important or there were also other batteries with better guns in the close area. As I said I am not familiar with the area there.
Anyway very interesting question and facts, thank you for it.
All the best
Saska
Thats exactly an old Vorderpivotlafette what we see. Unfortunatly in your question I could see a picture, like you mentioned there might one, so it would had been even more easier.
Anyway, I very surprised to see that they realy used such an old crap with those days modern naval guns. Jesus....
Well the barrel as we see is the typical naval 15 cm, because there is the little shield of the front protection around the barrel in the middle part, what came original from the use in the gun installation on ships.
The crapy gun carrige is realy much older, it belongs in the time before WW I or even before 1900. To use that carriage it realy means work. Everything is pure handwork and it needs at least three men or more to turn the gun in side position and also one or two for the elevation. Loading by hand. So all togheter we can not speak from fire rate at all!
The most of the weight of the whole systhem is in the back part, what is supported on little pairs of rolls, which are running in rail. Thats why it is so heavy to move.
At the Mittelpivotlafette the weight is more or less devided on every side and so handeling is easier. That is the reason why the VPL had been normaly taken out of use long before the WW II.
Well, back to this glory part of german gun construction. I dont know the La Coubre battery and from the picture it is not clear to see, but is it possible that it had been a old french gun position already before the german use?
If that is the case, so the reason for the use of this "antik" stuff must be pure lack of modern gun carriges by the german army. And maybe the position there was not so important or there were also other batteries with better guns in the close area. As I said I am not familiar with the area there.
Anyway very interesting question and facts, thank you for it.
All the best
Saska
Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello All
Does anyone have idea were these mountings ( V.P.L. ) came from ?? , the mountings are AFAIK not from French coastbatteries . Typical is also that the M 272 from M.K.B. Brommy ( Cherbourg ) has a very deep gunpit to
accomodate the large V.P.L .
Regards Jos
Does anyone have idea were these mountings ( V.P.L. ) came from ?? , the mountings are AFAIK not from French coastbatteries . Typical is also that the M 272 from M.K.B. Brommy ( Cherbourg ) has a very deep gunpit to
accomodate the large V.P.L .
Regards Jos
Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello
Added a link with some exercirreglement for older guns, with quite a few pivots mentioned.
regards
stril
http://members.surfeu.at/wefalck/mariti ... graphy.pdf
Added a link with some exercirreglement for older guns, with quite a few pivots mentioned.
regards
stril
http://members.surfeu.at/wefalck/mariti ... graphy.pdf
Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hello
Here a document that the guns from Brommy were transferred to Landemer on the other side of Cherbourg in 1944 .
That why this photo of M.K.B. Landemer has the same special gunhouse as the one at La Coubre West .
Photo = Ebay de and Alain Chazette
Regards Jos
Here a document that the guns from Brommy were transferred to Landemer on the other side of Cherbourg in 1944 .
That why this photo of M.K.B. Landemer has the same special gunhouse as the one at La Coubre West .
Photo = Ebay de and Alain Chazette
Regards Jos
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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hi,
here are two other photos from Ebay.
Brgds
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here are two other photos from Ebay.
Brgds
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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
Hi all,
I found this image on Ebay. I think it's possible that the gun could be a 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL coastal gun firing, but it is difficult to ensure.
Regards Sturm78.
I found this image on Ebay. I think it's possible that the gun could be a 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL coastal gun firing, but it is difficult to ensure.
Regards Sturm78.
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Re: 15 cm S.K.C/28 in VPL
From Beeldbank.nl a other photo from the 15 cm S.K.C/28 in V.P.L. must be at M.K.B.La Coubre West
Regards Jos
Regards Jos
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