V.F. Schartenstand

[jopaerya]

Hello All

I have a little problem , the first V.F. schartenstand was designed by the Festungspionier-
Kommandeur XVIII that was in the 15 Armee sector , there are a lot these bunkers build in
this sector . The problem is I found a other drawing from the O.T. in the 7 Armee sector
what looks like the same bunker with the same "Kampfraum" and I have found some pictures
of a simelar type of bunker in the "Sudwall " at H.K.B. Gruissan . See the last TH photo's
http://sudwall.superforum.fr/languedoc- ... n-t184.htm
Does anyone seen this bunker outside the bounderies of the 15 Armee ????

Regards Jos

[TH]

See the last TH photo's ...

The photos were made by FH.

[moonraker]

hello jos.

7 ako in the sector KVU GR AV and the CR on a 4 R680 vf ..... that looks a little on your draiwing.

Festpioneers of specialty sector to ?????....

[jopaerya]

Hello Etienne

The V.F. PaK bunkers in K.V.A. AV and CR have a combat room that the same as the 625
the first drawings on this Topic have a combat room that is the same as the early 625 .
So the function is the same but only the walls and the general lay-out are different .

Drawing = Our mutual friend Dirk Peeters

Regards Jos

[moonraker]

Jos yes,
I think this is very similar to the plan that was put forward, I recognized the draughtsmanship of dirk, I got on the phone are computer kapout ..... so it is good to bother our trading plan .

[jopaerya]

Hello All

I made a mistake it's not the 680 but the 625 that is the same as the V.F. bunker in
Bretagne please see the room for the empty shells and the enlarged ammunition room .

Regards Jos

[moonraker]

Hello Jos,
Yes you are right for Bretagne but I think many have 680vf, dirk and I are in agreement because it is not a chamber staff and kampfraum is similar to the 680 type.dirk a measure both of crozon and I 've measure both of AV07 and AV08.

[jopaerya]

Found two numbers for these local designs .

Fest.Pi.Kdr. XVIII Nr. 187 = Schartenstand für 7.5 cm PaK feldmassiger Ausbau ( as above ) gunroom model 626
Fest.Pi.Kdr. XVIII Nr. 186 = Geschutzschartenstand für l. und m. Geschütze ( as below ) gunroom model 611

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

Yes Jos they are already in my "Zeichnung List as 186 FM 611 and 187 FM 626 but we didn t find them (yet)
dirk

[dirk Peeters]

The date for Z nr 187 is 18 12 42
and the Tobruk in (his construction is a 58c (mentioned )
the Z nr 186 is the same date

[jopaerya]

HI Dirk

These bunkers are from the same designers ( Fest.Pi.Kdr. XVIII ) as the Waterbunker 184 , 193 till 198

Regards Jos

[jopaerya]

Hello Dirk

Found your list , would be nice to know if every Festungs pionier unit had it's one drawingslist
or that there was only one central list with all the drawingnumbers ??

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

we didn t find any nrs that are two times used for different bunkers ........
central drawning bureau ... sounds logical
Dirk

[jopaerya]

Here some document with the Typ Fest.Pi.Kdr. 18 ( röm XVIII ) Nr 195 after a bomb raid on Le Havre ( 10-04-1944 )

Regards Jos

[dirk Peeters]

i reopen this old topic
Here are some plans of the zeichnung nr 187 (found in 15 KVA A and B and the sudwall
there are a lot of variations possible (with or without Tobruk)in bricks or concrete
see for yourself

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and another type found severaltimes in the 7 army (sector B)

in Danemark i haven t found anything like it
What about norway ? also local models ?
Dirk