Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
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Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Hi all.
Talking to SES about Tobruks for FT-17 (See 'Stencilling on bunker' topic) reminded me to ask if the attached layout in Tobruk pits for FT-17 and APX-R turrets is common.
We have only two on Alderney - the rest are conventional types.
Outside are gridded vent intakes that must connect to a 'ring tube' for natural ventilation; inside are ammunition recesses, a gunner stand, reached via an iron ladder, with used shell case slots leading down into a compartment below the gunner; the whole compartment acts like the inside of a tank.
One is for a FT-17 the other is for an APX-R turret.
Are these very common elswhere in the Atlantic Wall?
Trevor D
Talking to SES about Tobruks for FT-17 (See 'Stencilling on bunker' topic) reminded me to ask if the attached layout in Tobruk pits for FT-17 and APX-R turrets is common.
We have only two on Alderney - the rest are conventional types.
Outside are gridded vent intakes that must connect to a 'ring tube' for natural ventilation; inside are ammunition recesses, a gunner stand, reached via an iron ladder, with used shell case slots leading down into a compartment below the gunner; the whole compartment acts like the inside of a tank.
One is for a FT-17 the other is for an APX-R turret.
Are these very common elswhere in the Atlantic Wall?
Trevor D
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Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Hello Trevor
On the mainland we see this type of tobruk for the Ft 17/18 .
Drawing = Breskens onder Beton Ben Muller
Regards Jos
On the mainland we see this type of tobruk for the Ft 17/18 .
Drawing = Breskens onder Beton Ben Muller
Regards Jos
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Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Hi,
NOW it is getting realy interesting. I'd better have a look to-morrow (5 klicks down the road), Fliegerhorst Grove is my back-yard or is it vice-versa?
bregds
SES
NOW it is getting realy interesting. I'd better have a look to-morrow (5 klicks down the road), Fliegerhorst Grove is my back-yard or is it vice-versa?
bregds
SES
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Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Hi Trevor,
I have not seen the type you show in your photos locally (Jersey). Only conventional types of Tobruk.
I will see if 'The Islander' can answer as he has written a article on FT-17 & APX-R Tank turrets in Jersey for a future C.I.O.S. review
Malcolm
I have not seen the type you show in your photos locally (Jersey). Only conventional types of Tobruk.
I will see if 'The Islander' can answer as he has written a article on FT-17 & APX-R Tank turrets in Jersey for a future C.I.O.S. review
Malcolm
"I had expected only ruins", "It's as if I had only left the bunker yesterday!"
Herr Engelbert Hoppe. M19 bunker Commander 1944/45 when he first returned in 2006.
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Herr Engelbert Hoppe. M19 bunker Commander 1944/45 when he first returned in 2006.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/StrongpointCorbiereJersey/
Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
hello,
There are also large model tobrouk for somua and 1bis, but it is rare and somewhat resembles that of a beginning of the topic.
etienne regards
There are also large model tobrouk for somua and 1bis, but it is rare and somewhat resembles that of a beginning of the topic.
etienne regards
Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Hello Etienne
Do you have any drawing of this tobruk for the Somua and Char 1bis ??
Regards Jos
Do you have any drawing of this tobruk for the Somua and Char 1bis ??
Regards Jos
Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
hi jos,
here the draiwing Measuring all ..........
We believe that this building is to somua and 1 bis.
etienne regards .....
Plan our mutual friend dirck peters:
here the draiwing Measuring all ..........
We believe that this building is to somua and 1 bis.
etienne regards .....
Plan our mutual friend dirck peters:
Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Had a look to-day. It is a Grove standard Tobruk (small crew room, 60 cm walls). The mounting ring is in place, the turret has been recovered by the local museum, but we found reamains of the ball-bearing ring and some loose balls.SES wrote:Hi,
NOW it is getting realy interesting. I'd better have a look to-morrow (5 klicks down the road), Fliegerhorst Grove is my back-yard or is it vice-versa?
bregds
SES
bregds
SES
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Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
hi SES,
it's similair rail tobrouk !!!!for the ft 17
regards etienne
it's similair rail tobrouk !!!!for the ft 17
regards etienne
Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Here's one each of the FT and APX-R from Guernsey. FT tobruk from Batt. Dollman.
Regards
Paul
Regards
Paul
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Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
APX tobruk from Stp.Langenberg
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Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Great thread on a small thing we got started here
bregds
SES
bregds
SES
Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Hello
The ammunition recesses in the tobruk at Batt. Dollman looks to be for the ammunition drums
for the 7.5 mm Kpfw.M.G. 311 (f) please see the picture on the door the extra drums .
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
The ammunition recesses in the tobruk at Batt. Dollman looks to be for the ammunition drums
for the 7.5 mm Kpfw.M.G. 311 (f) please see the picture on the door the extra drums .
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
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Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
hi jos,
I find drums ball as in a chariot to tobrouk for wn 99 sector J1. That they defend the channel access carentan.
I find drums ball as in a chariot to tobrouk for wn 99 sector J1. That they defend the channel access carentan.
Re: Tobruk pit for FT-17 and APX-R turrets
Hi Jos
Yes, apparently they just sat on the steel bars. Do you see these recesses in other places?
Regards
Paul
Yes, apparently they just sat on the steel bars. Do you see these recesses in other places?
Regards
Paul