Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Hello All
Who has visit this bunker at San Salvadour near Toulon , according to
this drawing there is a extra room underneath the ammunition rooms ??
Drawing = S.H.M. Vincennes
Regards Jos
Who has visit this bunker at San Salvadour near Toulon , according to
this drawing there is a extra room underneath the ammunition rooms ??
Drawing = S.H.M. Vincennes
Regards Jos
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Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Hello
we ARN) visited this batterie a few years ago. the casemates we have seen (3 of 4, the 4th is in private use) had some higher stairs in the backgound - and the ammunition cellar as per drawing, but according to my pictures no second level in the backsite....
greetings
erik R
we ARN) visited this batterie a few years ago. the casemates we have seen (3 of 4, the 4th is in private use) had some higher stairs in the backgound - and the ammunition cellar as per drawing, but according to my pictures no second level in the backsite....
greetings
erik R
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Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Thanks Erik
For the information , yes, you are right there are a lot of stairs in the bunker in this M 272 .
Regards Jos
For the information , yes, you are right there are a lot of stairs in the bunker in this M 272 .
Regards Jos
Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Hello,
TARTARIN
TARTARIN
Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Greetings,TARTARIN wrote:Hello,
TARTARIN
Nice but the doorway on the right is to high according to the photo.
Thanks,
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
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Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
It is not a doorway, it is just a big niche to store stuff to facilitate the crew and the gun.
JK
JK
Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Hi !
OK !
TARTARIN
OK !
TARTARIN
Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Still it is too high.JKernwerk wrote:It is not a doorway, it is just a big niche to store stuff to facilitate the crew and the gun.
JK
Thanks,
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
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Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
i count 8 steps on the picture
that s exactly as on the plan , and the height of the niches , looks also very normal (not special to me)
Dirk
that s exactly as on the plan , and the height of the niches , looks also very normal (not special to me)
Dirk
Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Hmmm, not to have the last word but here is my report:
H1 is higher or more or bigger then H2
I count four steps above the openings not eight not two.
H1 is higher or more or bigger then H2
I count four steps above the openings not eight not two.
Thanks,
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
- dirk Peeters
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Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
its normal all the H1 are higher then the H2
on the german plan i count 8 steps as in the picture
two other examples (one without steps and one with a few steps and look at the height of the niches H1 and H2
but you see they changed from bunker to bunker the place of the niches (even one has these niches from the ceiling downward
the number of steps depends on the geography of the land
but as mentioned on german plans some are flat and on the german plan with the most steps (alsdo the latest dated) plan (after the landings in Normandy) they put on 8 steps like on the M 272 here in the sudwall
so as usual you have to measure or drawn each bunker separately but all this is conform german plans
on the german plan i count 8 steps as in the picture
two other examples (one without steps and one with a few steps and look at the height of the niches H1 and H2
but you see they changed from bunker to bunker the place of the niches (even one has these niches from the ceiling downward
the number of steps depends on the geography of the land
but as mentioned on german plans some are flat and on the german plan with the most steps (alsdo the latest dated) plan (after the landings in Normandy) they put on 8 steps like on the M 272 here in the sudwall
so as usual you have to measure or drawn each bunker separately but all this is conform german plans
Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
Yes the pictures are clear but the picture of the 3D model is not.dirk Peeters wrote:its normal all the H1 are higher then the H2
My reaction is about the difference bewteen the picture and the 3D model.
So this : is not this: I rest my case
Thanks,
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
Wim
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3D : http://www.petromax.nl/Hanstholm.html
http://www.petromax.nl/DeBeer.html
- dirk Peeters
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Re: Bunker at M.K.B. Vogelberg ( Sudwall )
ok see you soon Wim
we ll continue the search hahaha
we ll continue the search hahaha