Naval beds ??

[TommySoelbergDK]

Hi
It's called a "'Marine-Klapp-Bett".
I have an unfinished drawing of it, BUT it looks silly right now.
The distance between the mountingbolts are 191 cm.
Thats how I noticed that there were 2 bedtypes.
146 cm and 191 cm between bolts...
Kind regards
Tommy

[jopaerya]

Hello Tommy

I also thought it was a naval beds , but the beds were also build in bunkers of the Luftwaffe and Heer .

Regards Jos

[TommySoelbergDK]

It IS a Marine-Klapp-Bett!!!
Since the Marine was loosing ground at sea, they scrapped the old ones.
I'm convinced of that.
Regards
TS

[stril]

Hello

Since the Marine was loosing ground at sea, they scrapped the old ones.
I'm convinced of that.

Could you please explain this ?

Added two photos. First its only part of the bed visible, second from MKB Korsnes. Wood is easier
regards
stril

[jopaerya]

Hello Tommy

I believe you right away , but do you have some original prove ??

Regards Jos

[stril]

It IS a Marine-Klapp-Bett!!!
Since the Marine was loosing ground at sea, they scrapped the old ones.

With no knowledge of the connection with furniture in bunkers and the war at sea im still waiting for a reply.
regards
stril

[TommySoelbergDK]

Well, Bettinger & Büren does not mension Marine-Klapp-Bett anywhere so they can not be Westwall beds.
Infact I have not found any mensioning of these beds anywhere at all. I have no proof at all.
Are there perhaps some Marine nerds outthere, that can help???

They just look too expensive to make, for bunker use.
Experience from WW1 was, that soldiers got sick living underground for longer periods of time.
That was especially true with older soldiers. Moist air and no daylight 24/7, will make you sick.
The Scharte 422P01 was to let more daylight in, 22x28cm. Replacing 48P8, 8x12cm.
In DK, the soldiers lived in barracks and would only use the bunkers if there was an alarm or a fear of invasion.
A barrack in the winter MUST have been cold. How about the rest of A.W.? I guess, the same there.

The beds could verywell be very old. Perhaps old pictures of WW1 ships, could solve the enigma.
How many ships were Germany allowed to keep in 1918?
I want to know for sure too. Though I'm convinced of it being Marine-Klapp-Bett.
They appear in latebuilt bunkers in DK. Fl.277, V.196, R.622 Silkeborg...
Why throw away a damn good bed? I would prefer that over any other bunkerbed. Infact, I want one!!!

Regards
Tommy

[c_hoff82]

Here is this type of bed in a personelltunnel in a MKB.

C. Hoff

[bunkeris]

Memel write you again. We try to restore the beds in one of the Memel coastal artillery batteries, and it was precisely this kind of like this thread (first picture). But we do not have precise data of these beds, and we have survived only in bed fittings. We will try to use the old civil beds that are similar to those beds. Therefore, we should be in terms of objectives width and length dimensions. And supports dimensions. It also places these slides is attached to the bed. And of course there is still surround dimensions. If you are not drawing it may be more opportunities for someone to be measured only if there is a possibility. Thanks to you, try one of the remaining battery restore living room with beds and other furniture. Our battery was called Memel - Nord, then a name and a museum. We would be very grateful for any help.
Stepas Memel-Nord

[jopaerya]

Hello Stepas

First welcome on this Forum , sorry I can't help you with drawings or dimensions of the "naval" beds .
Could you compare this drawing and the bettung of the M.K.B. Memel-Nord , I would like to know if
they are the same ??

Regards Jos

[SES]

Hi,
I don't know if this helps.
bregds
SES

[Jens Andersen]

Hello Stepas

We have this type of beds in the bunker of our museum.

Please send me a pm with your email adress, then I can post you some pictures and some measurements.

Best regards
Jens

[jopaerya]

A other war-time picture of these beds , photo is from Ebay .

Regards Jos

[jopaerya]

Mostly you see this type of beds fixed against a wall , but here you can see them bolted together .

Photo = Mur le L'Atlantique Forum

Regards Jos

[jopaerya]

From a M.Fl.B. the same beds system , picture is from Ebay .

Regards Jos