Bunkers with tank turrets!

[dirk Peeters]

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plan tobruk italy (plan forttravel axis)

here a tobruk that has the some of the same features as the one in Italy
it is built several times in the 7 KVA H sector
the one from our plan was equiped with a APX turret ( R35)
Alain Chazette says it is a type "Fest.Pi.Stab.11 tobruk" in his Omaha book
Dirk

[Chazette]

is not the same form
On Omaha sector it possesses a light central wall and no walking steps
AC

[Lars Bertelsen]

Hello
Here is a photo of a front plate from a F.Pz.DT 4804, with 3,7 cm KwK, recovered from a Ringstand (probably Bauform 238) somewhere.
Photo from http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/71646/start/-1
Can anybody tell where this photo was taken?

lars

[jopaerya]

From Kystfort Forum ( Stril ) a Pz.Kpfw.Turm II(S) ( Befehlsausführung ) at airfield Haslemoen ( Norway )

Picture = Glomsdalsmuseet

Regards Jos

[Andrzej Ditrich]

Another photo from propaganda magazine

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[Ondrej Filip]

Here is a photo of a front plate from a F.Pz.DT 4804, with 3,7 cm KwK, recovered from a Ringstand (probably Bauform 238) somewhere. Photo from http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/71646/start/-1 Can anybody tell where this photo was taken?

Hi Lars, according to Polish forum. it was found at summer 2004 somewhere at Poland. The guy who posted the photo did not want to specify a location. Maybe any Polish colleague shall know more about it ... There were more F.Pz.DT 4804 turrets at Poland, but they are gone since the nineties. Some of them cut by locals, some ended up in German museums.

Regards Ondrej

[jopaerya]

Could this be the same place as on the color picture of Andrzej ??

Picture = Sudwall Forum

Regards Jos

[Chazette]

yes it is Jos the same wood in right and the same house you see on the coast back
i said to Andrzej last week
AC

[Lars Bertelsen]

Hello Ondrej
Thanks for info about FPzDT 4804. Interesting that there were several of these turrets in Poland. The German list dated 26/3-1945 says that 40 turrets of this type were sent to the Southeast (not East), but it is well known that there are some other minor errors in this list.
Do you have information about other FPzDT 4804? I only know about the turret at Zerkowice, which was removed during the 90es.
lars

[Andrzej Ditrich]

Hello,

There were also turrets placed in area of town Sulejów n. Pilica river. One of the turrets should be still on private property (without gun).
Color photo posted previously showing recovery of the gun looks to me like area of Sulejów.
One of the turrets from Sulejów already left Poland and is now on exhibition in one of Western military museums.
Hope it gives some light on Your questions.

Regards
Andrzej

[jopaerya]

Must be from the same place as the photo's om page 15 , photo is from Ebay .

Regards Jos

[Ondrej Filip]

Must be from the same place as the photo's om page 15 , photo is from Ebay .Regards Jos

Nice photo Jos. It is not the same place, but the second turret at Remouchamps, located near the bottom of the valley. The visible building is hotel Bonhomme. The turret is still there, overgrown by vegetation.

[jopaerya]

Hi Ondrej
Great to have the right spot of this turret.
Regards Jos

[Lars Bertelsen]

Hello Andrzej
Thanks for the pictures. Nice turret, but it looks more like a Normalturm, because the FPzDT 4804 usually had a flat top plate with ventilation slits instead of the periscope cupola.
lars

[Andrzej Ditrich]

Hello Andrzej
Thanks for the pictures. Nice turret, but it looks more like a Normalturm, because the FPzDT 4804 usually had a flat top plate with ventilation slits instead of the periscope cupola.
lars

Hello Lars,

Yes it's normal turret-I tried myself to get into turret through this hatch