Bunkers with tank turrets!

[jopaerya]

Any idea's on the tank turret , Alain ?

[Chazette]

is a D1 french tank

see
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_D1
AC

[jopaerya]

Thanks Alain

Have you ever seen this tank turret on a ringstand in the France ??

Regards Jos

[Chazette]

no jos

[myt1prod]

http://www.atlantikwall-research-norway ... FCrme.html

[peeved]

Dug-in Soviet T-18M and the 45 mm from exp. eBay.de
http://www.ebay.de/itm/251642601175?ru= ... 26_rdc%3D1 and http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40 ... 206&_rdc=1

Markus

[Manuferey]

A Panzer II turret in Italy:

http://mp.natlib.govt.nz/detail/?id=546 ... s&s=a&l=en

Emmanuel

[peeved]

Dug-in T-18M and T-27 tankette (no turret so bit off-topic) from exp. eBay.de N:o 271146788733 & http://www.ebay.de/itm/TOP-Fotoalbum-Ru ... 7675.l2557

Markus

[StefanSiverud]

What might the "Pz Kw (T II S)" for MG34 or MG42 mentioned in this document be? Apparently the gun was not included.

Source: http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/n ... ect/zoom/6

[jopaerya]

Hello Stefan

Please see the first picture http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0&t=116369
http://bunkersite.com/locations/norway/ ... urret1.php

Regards Jos

[StefanSiverud]

Hi Jos,

I see, thanks!
Is it a modified Flamingo turret or a simplified version built especially for bunker installation? What does the T II S mean - Turm II Sonderkonstruktion or something else?

[jopaerya]

Sorry Stefan

Don't know the meaning of the (S) , some information from Panzer Tracts No 21-1 .

Regards Jos

[StefanSiverud]

Thanks Jos!

Found a short text on it by Zaloga in The Atlantic Wall 2, saying they were modified Flamingo turrets with improved ventilation and simplified MG pivot mount.
I wonder what was wrong with the existing MG mount, making them use time and resources to change them. It can't have been a major problem, seeing as some were left unmodified.

[FKDeane]

When one studies the data in Panzer Tracts No.21-1 it is clear that when the original Kugelblende 30 (MG Ball mount) was still available it was used to on the Turm II Flamingo (Normalserie). The Turm II (S) only came into existence to utilize available turret shells. Remember that the Kugelblende 30 had already been replaced by the Kugelblende 50 on Panzer III in January 1941 and on the Panzer IV in May 1941 so would have been in short supply by the time the turrets were being converted for use on Bunkers and the tow types were not interchangeable.
Fred

[StefanSiverud]

When one studies the data in Panzer Tracts No.21-1 it is clear that when the original Kugelblende 30 (MG Ball mount) was still available it was used to on the Turm II Flamingo (Normalserie). The Turm II (S) only came into existence to utilize available turret shells. Remember that the Kugelblende 30 had already been replaced by the Kugelblende 50 on Panzer III in January 1941 and on the Panzer IV in May 1941 so would have been in short supply by the time the turrets were being converted for use on Bunkers and the tow types were not interchangeable.
Fred

Thank you for your reply. If the T II (S) was made from half-finished turrets less Kugelblende, that makes sense. The problem is the Zaloga text, and supposedly "Tank Turret Fortifications" by Neil Short (I haven't seen it yet), indicate the turrets were removed from Flamingos and then modified to T II (S), while the chassis were used for SPG's.

It is of course possible there was a supply of unfinished turrets in addition to the ones taken off the Flamingos, or that I'm reading it wrong.