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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by kstdk » 19 Jan 2016, 10:57

Hello

A couple of pictures from Berlin 1945 - Source: before shown in Times magazine and LIFE:

Panthers, turm and (Bo) bodenständige panzers, also worth to mention at the last picture - the Alecto tank very rare.

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by moonraker » 19 Jan 2016, 12:21

hello
thank kurt,
is tank destroy place here ! panzer IV or tigre with equiped 8.8 cm and zimmermit ??

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by kstdk » 19 Jan 2016, 12:58

Hello

They are not panzer IV or Tiger, they are Panther V specially reused as PaK in (Bo) as Bodenständig (dug in) - and placed on strategic good places in roadcrossings etc. in the final Battle for Berlin 1945.

They were even special "redesigned" - engine removed, special hatches etc. for larger place for ammunition. Also all other equipment that could be used as spareparts were removed.

They were also called "Schadpanzer"

I know it is not "bunkers with tank turrets" but just the same, they are used in the same way!

Pictures are taken after the war in 45 / 46.

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by moonraker » 19 Jan 2016, 14:20

yes,yes you are right kurt is panzer V !! I'm confused, not recognizing :roll:
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by ROLAND1369 » 19 Jan 2016, 15:23

Of even more interest in pic 4 are the armored vehicles to the left. They are rare shots of the Alecto 95 mm SP developed from the Mk VII Tetrarch Light Tank. Pictures of this vehicle in active service are very rare.

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 19 Jan 2016, 22:37

HI All

The Alectos in the photo are Alecto MkIIs (Alecto Recce) with the 6pdr belonging to the Armoured Car Regiment, Anti tank troop. I think the unit is the 11th Hussars, part of the 7th Armoured Division.


Edit the 94mm armed SPs had a muzzle brake.
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by forttravel » 24 Jan 2016, 23:34

One more picture from Berlin, Panzer IV turret, not sure from bunker, digged tank or fallen from exploded tank.
Caption: Berlin, Demontage Panzerturm, 1945
Source: http://www.deutschefotothek.de/documents/obj/33003475
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 28 Jan 2016, 00:44

Hello
A few days ago, I saw a list containing “Bauform 228 = Ringstand für Pz.Kpfw.-Turm FT (f)”.
I have not found any drawing or source for this. Does anybody have information about a “Bauform 228”?
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by dirk Peeters » 28 Jan 2016, 09:40

It s a new nr in the BF series
its from the 4 series
Anlagen mit drehhauben (nr 226 - 230)
226 fur MG Drehaube Fpz DT 4007) (alte bezeichnung 834P6)
227 Stand fur 1 mann Drehturm (f)
The only thing i can think about is this (for a Ft tank turret
00.jpg
but there are many names for this type varyinf from
type 15 (1 x found)
SK renault Pak 3,7 (5x found)
VF Pak Renault 3,7 (6 x found)
Renault Kuppel (1 x found)
VF Renault Kuppel MG 15 (1 x found)
al these names are for the type we call Tobruk U for tankturret
all the german names are found in the same maniscript (german of course and these are the Bauliste from St Nazaire)
and on the Maps of Oye Plage (Nara) there is the nr 1740 for a variant of this
all are 1 m thick
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there are many variants

231 bis 239 are variants of the Tobruk 67
that is all i can say
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by jopaerya » 28 Jan 2016, 11:08

Dirk is right the Bauform 228 should fit in the "Anlagen mit Drehhauben" but all these old numbers ( two digits )
and new ones ( three digits ) are designed by the "General der Pioniers and Festungen" . The socalled U-tobruk
aka "VF 15" ? was designed by the "Insp.d.Landesbefestigung Ob.West"

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by TiesG » 28 Jan 2016, 12:39

This one is on ebay right now. Saint Nazaire or St. Brieux
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by moonraker » 28 Jan 2016, 13:26

hello dirk, jos,

bizarre in the bauprogram from st nazaire the tobruk U plusieur name "the liste given by dirk". So only un stp "vf15".I think one eror Scriva of Machine,because number of tobruk anonate: 12 and 15 CBN bèton thereafter ? one place on the atlantiwall does not give the type,but various Stp in france, is good evidence.
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by Chazette » 28 Jan 2016, 14:31

one place on the atlantiwall does not give the type,but various Stp in france, is good evidence.

I do not agree with your words
often a single document provides a key by typology
and only a few other unique examples
it is a évidense !
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The VF15 and the Typ Nr.1740 is not the same one in St. the other in feldm.

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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by Chazette » 28 Jan 2016, 14:36

S 503
M 130
M 273
Fl 229
Fl 224
Fl 298
and more and more in my Book Marineflak ......
Rudi was also inspired in his latest book
Bauprogramme Lorient-84.jpg
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Re: Bunkers with tank turrets!

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Post by kstdk » 04 Feb 2016, 22:31

Hello

A nice on here from Sanary, France:

Pz. 38 (t) inside a newspaper stand............... :D

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